Why treat Brit Hume differently than Dan Rather?

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Why treat Brit Hume differently than Dan Rather?

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Brit Hume, FOX News' managing editor in Washington (ie, their biggest-name anchor), lied about FDR. Specifically, he carefully crafted a false quote from Franklin Delano Roosevelt made up of pieces of a real FDR quote. The false quote suggested FDR intended for Social Security to be privatized, and the quote from which it was created suggested no such thing.

In short, it was a calculated, crafted lie, perpetrated by Brit Hume, the closest thing Fox News has to a Dan Rather or Tom Brokaw.

Yet, where's the outcry? Where's the calls for resignation? Where's the accusations of partisan shilling?

Dan Rather reported on a forged document written by someone else, collected by someone else, verified by someone else. For this his head was demanded on a platter. Even though the secretary who would have written such a memo said that though the memo was a forgery, it was textually similar to a memo she remembered writing. These same voices have given Brit Hume a complete miss, even though the deliberate misquote of Roosevelt was an outright lie, and the lie, apparently, was his own.

I guess to the right-wing the lie only matters if a liberal makes it.

Brit Hume has, as of this writing, remained dead silent on the matter, failing to issue so much as a retraction. So much for accountability.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146409,00.html is the lie. Note it's a "report", not an editorial, allegedly.
Brit Hume wrote:But it turns out that FDR himself planned to include private investment accounts in the Social Security program when he proposed it.

In a written statement to Congress in 1935, Roosevelt said that any Social Security plans should include, "Voluntary contributory annuities, by which individual initiative can increase the annual amounts received in old age," adding that government funding, "ought to ultimately be supplanted by self-supporting annuity plans."
Here's the real quote:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt wrote:In the important field of security for our old people, it seems necessary to adopt three principles: First, noncontributory old-age pensions for those who are now to old build up their own insurance. It is, of course, clear that for perhaps 30 years to come fund will have to be provided by the states and the federal government to meet these pensions.

Second, compulsory contributory annuities which in time will establish a self-supporting system for those now young and for future generations.

Third, voluntary contributory annuities by which individual initiative can increase the annual amounts received in old age. It is proposed that the federal government assume one-half of the cost of the old pension plan, which ought ultimately to be supplanted by self-supporting annuity plans.
The quote shows the "self-supporting annuities" were referring to the Social Security tax revenues, that would replace government contributions into the program since people who were already 65 would be drawing from it. Brit Hume's 'quote' was a complete, calculated distortion.
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Post by Torakus »

Relbeek,

Put the crack pipe down and step back.

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Torakus,

Suck the dingleberries from my butthairs.

If you're going to post a one-line flame, try to at least be original.
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Post by Aabe »

Ahhhh, creative journalizm at it's finest. =)

Some of the best lies are those of carefully edited fact.

Now maybe they shouldnt fire him but put him on the entertainment section of the program since he wants to be more creative than journalistic?

Speaking of entertaining journalism. Anyone remember the TV news program that crashed two vehicles together with hidden fireworks blazing to ignite the post crash leaking gas? (around the late 70's I think.)

Thats when I lost my "The TV is news people are never wrong" virginity so many years ago.
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Post by Relbeek Einre »

That was an NBC report from the early 90s, actually. Detailing the danger of some pickup trucks whose fuel tanks were side mounted outside the reinforced frame of the vehicle.

They added a sparker - so when the truck was hit and the fuel tank ruptured, it ignited.

Real danger, fraudulent display.

The late 70s were Pintos... and I don't believe the reports on those deathtraps were fraudulent.
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Your "real" quote from FDR was apparently written by the Hulk.

I actually laughed out loud at some of the grammar. ("for those who are now to old build up their own insurance." Hulk say this good plan.)

Now, I don't doubt it's close to the real quote, but you need a source that can quote it as FDR said it.
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DANG 90's. Freaking brain of mine. I could have swore it was at my grandparents house I saw that, they both died before the 90's. I hope this aint the beginning of the special needs retirement plan for me. =P

Never questioned that either one was fradulent. It was just a shock to see the "ends justify the means" attitude in the news. Made me wonder for a long time after that as to what was real and what was staged.

Had they been kind enough to just say "by adding a spark this could happen", it would have all been way cool and just as effective to anyone that has seen sparks from an accident. But no, they just couldnt resist. Pissed me off.
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Transcription errors by someone who should know better.

Original paragraph reads:
In the important field of security for our old people, it seems necessary to adopt three principles: First, noncontributory old-age pensions for those who are now too old to build up their own insurance. It is, of course, clear that for perhaps 30 years to come funds will have to be provided by the States and the Federal Government to meet these pensions. Second, compulsory contributory annuities which in time will establish a self-supporting system for those now young and for future generations. Third, voluntary contributory annuities by which individual initiative can increase the annual amounts received in old age. It is proposed that the Federal Government assume one-half of the cost of the old-age pension plan, which ought ultimately to be supplanted by self-supporting annuity plans.
From http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents ... peech.html
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Post by Relbeek Einre »

Sheesh. I swiped the transcript from an interview with FDR's grandson. Sorry!
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I was not refering to you , but to the person who transcribed the interview. changing "too" to "to" is not something a professional should be doing.
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"to old build" = "too old to build." A definite double error.
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I told you to step back from the fucking crack pipe because your cry baby antics about everything 'publican is getting annoying.

Hume's quote is hardly a lie. He says that FDR planned to INCLUDE private investment accounts. Part 3 of FDR's plan says exactly that. Hume quoted what FDR said. He did not include that FDR said half of the monies would initially be supported by the governement but ought eventually to be supplanted by self supporting plans.

How is the a lie? Who is being a fucking waterhead now?

Hume did not say FDR planned to replace SS with private annuities, he simply says FDR planned to include them. AND FDR DID.

Your reading comprehension has really become quite bad since the election.

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I told you to step back from the fucking crack pipe because your cry baby antics about everything 'publican is getting annoying.
Nobody's forcing you to read them, dickcheese.

And you're wrong.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200502160003

Roosevelt's grandson fielded this one.

Roosevelt believed that private pension funds ought to be included as part of the retirement plans of anyone who can afford them, but that they should be IN ADDITION TO Social Security, not part of Social Security itself, as Hume falsely claimed.

Sorry, you fail reading comprehension 101, Torakus. Are you SURE you're not Tholiak?
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Third, voluntary contributory annuities by which individual initiative can increase the annual amounts received in old age. It is proposed that the Federal Government assume one-half of the cost of the old-age pension plan, which ought ultimately to be supplanted by self-supporting annuity plans.
What he's saying here is that individual contributions above the compulsory accounts should be set up (401k/Roths) to eventually remove the need for the government to pay the whole thing. So you have mandatory contributions to cover the first 50% and voluntary contributions to individual plans (over your required contributions) to increase the amount one might receive upon retirement (401ks).

So FDR didn't say the funds can be pulled from the social security bucket, rather that the social security bucket should only cover 50% of an old-age pension plan and should facilitate a seperate privatized investment, which they have.
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Post by Relbeek Einre »

No, Beestyall, you're wrong too.

He was saying that since people would be drawing from an empty Social Security Fund (since it was being set up just now) that the government would have to pay in half the costs of it until it ramped up and the payroll tax that funded it would cover all the costs as it does today.
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I see the problem here. Some of us are reading what FDR said and relating it to how Hume quoted it. Others are interpretting what FDR said and using his grandson's interpretation of what his grandfather said as proof of some great Konspiracy by Brit Hume to forward a plan of complete privatization of SS.

The Dem's are so embarrassed by their #1 shill being run out of town a rail that they MUST HAVE VENGEANCE. Its sad.

I respect Mr. Roosevelt's opinion on what his grandfather intended. However reading what his grandfather wrote, leads me and I imagine many others, to believe that he intended the private non-compulsory investments to continue. There is nothing I can see that says FDR intended anything different. I don't read the minds of dead presidents from their quotes and I certainly do not go out of my way, like Relbeek, to interpret what they meant. I accept that they meant what they said in black letter.

By all means continue to overthink what FDR said and how Brit's possible misinterpretation based on the expert opinion of JR is some grand lie told for nefarious purposes. Just be careful that your 50lb head does not overheat.

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Post by Relbeek Einre »

Torakus... you're just flat-out wrong. Hume didn't interpret Roosevelt, he OMITTED the portions of Roosevelt's words that made it clear his claim was false.

He lied. For some crazy reason yoiu believe him.

And our #1 shill isn't Dan Rather - who was retiring anyway. Not by a long shot.
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I feel real sorry for you, that you are so petty that you continue to harp on this sort of thread. You are completely wrong. The part omitted from the quote is implied by the finish of the quote. Had he perhaps called the self supported annuities "private" you might have a case, but since it does not, you do not and you look all the more pathetic.

You are a shining example of what is wrong with Democrats in general and the Democratic party. Do you suppose that the cry baby routine is actually going to get you somewhere? Focus on the issue itself rather than calling for the heads of every reporter who you feel is right leaning and you might accomplish something, but the 50/50 split of Democratic effort in addressing issues and slinging mud is really killing it.

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You suggest we should adopt the Republican model of 100% mudslinging?

Torakus, no amount of foul language and derision on your part will make you right.
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I tend to agree with Bill Press, on the issue of treatment of Republicans.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.a ... E_ID=43031
If you suspect the media are guilty of a double standard when it comes to covering the White House, you're right. It's now clear, without a doubt, that White House reporters are as easy on President Bush as they were hard on President Clinton. Consider the case of phony White House reporter Jeff Gannon.
OK, stop right there. A man poses as a reporter and enters the White House every day, for two years, using fake ID? That, in itself, is a scandal. Just try getting past the White House gate using a pseudonym, especially after Sept. 11. As conservative columnist Bruce Bartlett wrote: "If Gannon was using an alias, White House staff had to be involved in maintaining his cover." Bush aides, in other words, ordered the Secret Service to let this imposter in. Where's the outrage from the media?

You think that's bad? It gets worse. It was soon revealed that, before posing as a White House reporter, Guckert was posing nude, offering his services as a male prostitute on one of three websites he commissioned: Hotmilitarystuds.com, Militaryescorts.com and Meetlocalmen.com. Guckert calls himself an "aggressive, verbal, dominant top" and an "ex-USMC jock, available for hourly, overnight, weekend or longer travel." His special weekend rate was $1,200. In graphic terms, he even describes his "weapon," which he also displays, ready for action, in a spread-eagle photo. Once so exposed, Guckert quit the White House and is now selling himself as a public speaker.

Again, where's the outrage from the media? Can you imagine the uproar if this had happened under Bill Clinton? Cable news channels would be pumping it 24x7. The New York Times would demand Clinton's resignation. Republicans in Congress would be screaming about how President Clinton poisoned our children's minds by exposing them to a gay prostitute. And Ken Starr would be back in business.

Instead, the Bush White House forces the Secret Service to allow a former male prostitute into the White House so he can play reporter and lob softball questions to the president – and what do we get? Silence from the mainstream media. Silence from Republicans in Congress. Support for Guckert from many conservative commentators, who accuse liberal bloggers of anti-gay bias. And the scandal disappears from the radar screen.

If that's not a double-standard, I don't know what is. Why aren't the mainstream media making a big deal of this story? Why aren't they demanding a White House apology? Or a congressional investigation? Because they have no backbone, that's why. They're afraid of the Bush White House. And they've let Bush get away with everything, from lying about weapons of mass destruction to pampering a male prostitute.

Please, no more complaints about the liberal media. Today's White House reporters are in Bush's pocket.
Which is relatively analagous to why Brit Hume gets a free pass and Dan Rather and Eason Jordan get crucified.
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