Welfare by State

[Ddrak]

Interesting graph - shows which states pay more taxes than they get back from welfare and which receive more welfare than they pay taxes:



States in blue receive 90c or less back from $1.00 in taxes paid.
States in red receive $1.10 or more from $1.00 in taxes paid.

Source: http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxingspending.html (2003 data)

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[Rsak]

Where does it say that is only welfare?

The numbers from the Full Report match those of your image, but those numbers are for Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received. It does not break it down to welfare specifically.

[Partha]

If they get more in services than they pay for, you could call that welfare.

[Rsak]

Yes but we have this program called Welfare which is different from what you are describing.

For clarity sake and since i cannot find the source image in the full report he sited as his source I asked the question.

[Partha]

He didn't use a capital when he said Welfare. Now take your semantic jacking off to other areas, please.

[Rsak]

And that means exactly what?

I asked for clarification of what Ddrak posted and where the image came from. I am sorry that you are unable to handle a simple conversation where people have reasonable analyzation of the facts.

If Ddrak meant welfare in the sense you described then while his statements are ambigious they accurately describe the image.

[Partha]

I am sorry that you are unable to handle a simple conversation where people have reasonable analyzation of the facts.

When you are the questioner, this is not likely.

[Rsak]

It is guaranteed in this case.

The title of the thread is Welfare by State.

Now he coudl have meant the welfare program or he could have meant receiving more federal funds then what they paid overall. He was not specific and it was an ambigious post.

Stop being such a confrontational ass and read what is posted rather then what you are imaging.

[Partha]

Posting to yourself?

[Rsak]

No just trying to see how desperate you are to try to prove me wrong. You have failed in three threads now..

Any chance of you getting a clue and making anything resembling a compelling argument?

[Relbeek Einre]

Rsak is the only person on the whole forum who can make a logical argument. Just ask him.

[Ddrak]

Yes, using "welfare" to mean "Federal Govt Forking Over Cash".

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[Rsak]

Thank You.. The second reasonable response in this entire thread.

[Torakus]

Once again I don't see any real problem here. Interesting graph but it really should not cause anyone to be up in arms about their state not getting their fair cut.

Let me put it in perspective. The median income in California where I live is roughly 64,000 per year. My wife and I make about 10k more than that and we are far from living fat. There are 35.4 million people in California. That translates to a shit load of taxes paid to the fed. In Montana, where I was born and raised, the median income is about 48,000. My mother and father live quite comfortably there, for quite a bit less. Montana has only 909,000 people in it. That translates to a tiny amount in taxes sent to the fed. Now, compare some things like federal highway expenditure, farm subsidies, national parks, Native American reservations and the like and you will see why outlays to states like Montana, The Dakotas, Oklahoma etc are over and larger, higer wage states are negative.

In fact looking at the map provided it makes perfect sense to me.

Does Rhode Island even have any businesses in it? For a state the size of a postage stamp, you would think they could be self sufficient on the return from about 5 tax returns anyway.

Torakus

[Ddrak]

Tora - it's weighted by the total tax revenue so the population isn't really relavent.

What is interesting is the breakdown is very similar to the red/blue state lines. Bizarrely, that means the more welfare-esque programs get put in place the more Red states are likely to benefit at the expense of Blue. Similarly, the less progressive taxation becomes the more Blue states will benefit at the expense of Red.

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[Embar Angylwrath]

Where does it say that is only welfare?

The numbers from the Full Report match those of your image, but those numbers are for Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received. It does not break it down to welfare specifically.

OMG... Ddrak pwned by Rsak!!!!

[Ddrak]

OMG - Embar pwned by not reading the rest of the thread. Specifically the bit where Rsak (accurately) said my statement was ambiguous and we agreed that it what I wrote was technically correct.

Try harder next time Embar. You may not look so stupid.

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[Relbeek Einre]

Embar was trolling, doof.

[Embar Angylwrath]

It's so easy to troll Ddrak because of his over-inflated ego. Dude is hyper-sensitive to criticism.

[Relbeek Einre]

You're not so hard to troll either.