Obama fails to prevent homophobia

[Torakus]

SCOTUS refuses to hear challenge to Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Rachel Maddow of MSNBC ridicules President Obama on her show. I guess he is just to moderate for the lesbian left.

Tora

[Lurker]

Maddow's "Don't ask, don't follow through" segment was spot on.

Obama has promised to end DADT and he's done nothing so far to end it. People are still being fired and having their careers ruined. There are steps Obama could take to stop all that without waiting for legislation from Congress. It has nothing to do with Obama being moderate. Ending DADT is a moderate position. The pressure from Maddow is about follow through.

[Partha]

He needs to get off the fence and get rid of DADT already.

[Torakus]

Maddow is a raging Heterophobe. I just find it funny that when a conservative of any stripe admonishes President Obama for not following through on a promise, the apologists spring forth in droves, but let that same criticism on a different promise come from the lesbian left, and all you hear is crickets.

But I think we are all in agreement that DADTDP doesn't provide anything positive to the military and is bad in a lot of ways to the country as a whole. The policy is poorly enforced to begin with, there were at least a half dozen openly gay crew members on my last ship before I retired (out of about 211 crew), and the policy just made it a pain in the ass to know. Everyone just tried to look the other way to avoid it becoming a problem, and hope some homophobic prick with an axe to grind didn't use it to bash the command over the head.

Tora

[Lurker]

Can you provide some examples please? Rachel Maddow is one of the most thoughtful people on television. I'd love to see some backup for your statement that she's a heterophobe.

As for criticism from conservatives, if they had some valid and thoughtful criticism I'd be happy to agree and support them. Can you provide some evidence of valid criticism of broken promises? That list Embar posted the one time turned out to be completely fabricated.

And please... Something other than the posting legislation on whitehouse.gov for five days promise.

[Partha]

I just find it funny that when a conservative of any stripe admonishes President Obama for not following through on a promise, the apologists spring forth in droves, but let that same criticism on a different promise come from the lesbian left, and all you hear is crickets.

If by 'crickets', you're talking shorthand for 'they agree with me that Obama's not doing the right thing here', then sure.

[Klast Brell]

Conservatives love to call liberals bigot of one stripe or another. It makes them feel all warm and gooey inside. No matter how silly they sound calling a white male racist and sexist because he stood up for a black woman.

[Harlowe]

I just find it funny that when a conservative of any stripe admonishes President Obama for not following through on a promise, the apologists spring forth in droves, but let that same criticism on a different promise come from the lesbian left, and all you hear is crickets.

If by 'crickets', you're talking shorthand for 'they agree with me that Obama's not doing the right thing here', then sure.

Ddrak has been much less reasonable as of late. I don't recall him being the type to post something ridiculous like "but you hear crickets chirping when blah blah blah". But then again, I was surprised he posted all "vegans are selfish idiots". I use to consider him more of the voice of reason, even with people he disagreed with. Not so much anymore.

Oh well.

[Lurker]

Ddrak is probably sleep deprived and has less time for thoughtful responses. And Aussies probably have an ingrained dislike for vegans because they have to kill dingoes with their bare hands just to survive.

oh yeah... and Ddrak hasn't posted on this thread yet. That was Torakus being unreasonable.

[Harlowe]

Haha my bad, for some reason I read that as Ddrak. It seemed really "out there" for him to say something like "crickets chirping".

I apologize! And take back that he is no longer the voice of reason.....only where vegans are concerned.

If Dems, liberals or Obama supporters here were to post an outrage over every time Obama or his decisions were criticized by the Right, this board would just become a mirror of Fox News. Calling Maddow a heterophobe is so fucking ignorant or just the knee-jerk response of a homophobe.

[Klast Brell]

I'm going to cut any new parent some major slack on this board.

And this board is a great place to blow off steam.

[Ddrak]

And take back that he is no longer the voice of reason.....only where vegans are concerned.

Pff - we were talking about different things - I don't think you feel much differently about the type of nutjobs I was actually talking about.

On Don't Ask, Don't Tell: It is and always has been retarded. It's not even a consistent policy and so open to subjective discrimination that the whole concept is completely stupid to exist in a place as rigidly controlled as the military.

Dd

[Embar Angylwrath]

Fags and carpet lickers can kill just as easily as heteros. A finger on the trigger and a willingness to use the finger is all it takes.

Obama should embrace homos in the military. (As a side note, I think homosexuals are a genetic adaptation to social organisms. They have all the instincts to protect the social fabric, yet attempts at reproduction always fails. Essentially, homosexuals are genetically evolved to augment the breeding hetero population... they fill the niche of a social member that will never add resource demands (children) to the social net, other than their own)

Seriously... I think discrimination against male and female homosexuals denies our genetic heritage. That discrimination is an abomination to me. Homosexuality is an evolutionary branch in homo sapiens, not a choice. At least in my understanding. And as such, homosexuality is natural (there are plenty of other examples in non human species of homosexuality). We should embrace that, and use it. We should ask ourselves why homosexuality has evolved, what purpose did it (does it) serve.

[Harlowe]

I don't think you feel much differently about the type of nutjobs I was actually talking about.
Dd

This is probably true.

[Jarochai Alabaster]

Every time Embar talks about fags, it gets a little creepier.

[Taxious]

We should ask ourselves why homosexuality has evolved, what purpose did it (does it) serve.

I've always been curious about evolution and homosexuality too. Obviously homos aren't reproducing, but then why are we still around in the gene pool? Maybe homos are the natural "adoptive parents" or something, not able to reproduce but able to help out the children of others if needed?

[Taxious]

More on topic, I've felt a little let down by Obama for not being able to get rid of DADT. Not that I want to go into the military, but if he's hesitating to touch this small issue, what hope do we have for equal rights on a larger scale?

[Trollbait]

More on topic, I've felt a little let down by Obama for not being able to get rid of DADT. Not that I want to go into the military, but if he's hesitating to touch this small issue, what hope do we have for equal rights on a larger scale?

Did you think he was Superman? Jesus?

He wants what every first term President wants......a second term.

[Kulaf]

The only studies on homosecuality I recall reading about involved overpopulation in rat studies. There seemed to be correlation between increasing overpopulation and the rate of homosexuality in rats. Perhaps it is tied to a genetic/stress response to control our population.

[Arathena]

We should ask ourselves why homosexuality has evolved, what purpose did it (does it) serve.

I've always been curious about evolution and homosexuality too. Obviously homos aren't reproducing, but then why are we still around in the gene pool? Maybe homos are the natural "adoptive parents" or something, not able to reproduce but able to help out the children of others if needed?

Preliminary studies have suggest that there is a family linkage between male homosexuals and women that have LOTS of heterosexual sex. It is unproven, but theorized that at least one of the biological factors that leads to male homosexuality increases female fertility, expressing in both as a strong desire to have sex with men. In other animals, the social bonding and the simple pleasure of any sex are considered to be strong factors, as well as the surrogate parental factor. (Homophobia appears to be unique to human society.)