Wanna see a real dirty ad

[Kulaf]

Not only does this ad lie about Rossi's position on Stem Cell research......not only is it about an issue that doesn't matter because the ban on embryonic stem cell research is Federal not State......but....well just take a look:

http://www.politickerwa.com/bryanbissel ... l-research

Man that is just shameless.

[Harlowe]

That's fucking tacky as hell....jaaaaysus, a mother crying in your ad.

[Klast Brell]

The stem cell issue is also state. There is no federal aid for stem cell research but everyone else including States and private entities are free to throw as much money as they want. State legislatures have the right to pick up the ball the Feds dropped. And it can mean lots of biotechnology companies move to your state and create high paying jobs there.

[Garrdor]

Yeah, pretty tacky.

But nonetheless, stem cell technology is a much needed way to advance the medical field. Stem cell research needs all they help it can get. Maybe I have a bias:

My dad has been given a chance NOT to DIE @ the age of 45 - by flying out overseas next month to have a stem-cell enhanced lifesaving operation.

Fucking conservative peices of shit make me sick. @ providence we tear open dead peoples bodies and take EVERYTHING (if they're a donor). Fuck, they took a guys eyes the other day like 1 hour after he was dead. I don't see the difference between that and some chick that is going to have a lemon-sized fleshy discharge and -- instead of having it thrown away into a biomed bin -- helps save a life in return.

'God' needs to stay the fuck out of science, especially medicine.

[Lurker]

Kulaf,

Is Rossi really for adult stem cell research in a way that matters, or is he for stem cell research the way Bush is? I ask because Bush pushed rules that scientists say prevented stem cell research while claiming he supported it. Can you clear that up for us?

[Kulaf]

http://www.dinorossi.com/factcheck/stemcellresearch.htm

Dino has had to devote an entire section of his website to combat the false claims and outright lies of Gregoire and her supporters. It's really sad having to listen to all of this crap......racial slurs......outright lies.

[Lurker]

That just repeats the claim from Rossi that he supports adult stem-cell research. Can you shed any light on whether that is true or if he just supports it the way Bush supports it, ie. opposes it. The ad you linked is bad but if it's also a lie then it's reprehensible.

[Kulaf]

I think the website clearly spells out his position. He is against public funding of embryonic stem cell research. What more do you want? This is not his issue.....to my knowledge he has no plans to futher increase Washingtons 3 billion dollar projected deficit with public funding. He clearly leaves the door open for private funding.

Here is another ad and the response that made the state Democratic party edit the ad:

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/politic ... _not_laugh

[Lurker]

Is he against public funding for adult stem-cell research?

[Kulaf]

Here was the position of both candidates in a recent interview:

Stem-cell research

Rossi supports adult stem-cell research in an effort to find cures for a variety of diseases. But he opposes using embryonic stem cells, which are collected from embryos that are destroyed in the process.

"Adult-stem-cell research is where all the advances have come from," he said. "I've been supportive of adult-stem-cell research but not embryonic. There is a distinction between the two because one has promise, and one doesn't."

Gregoire says she supports stem-cell research, including that using embryonic stem cells. "I absolutely believe we need to find the cures to these most dreaded diseases," she said.


But bottom line is.....the ad was a lie. It said Dino is against stem cell research. Clearly he is only against public funding of embryonic stem cell research.

[Lurker]

Clearly he is only against public funding of embryonic stem cell research.

If he is for public funding of adult stem-cell research then yeah, the ad is a lie. Biden had a great line the other week. "Don't tell me your values. Show me your budget, and I will tell you your values." Rossi can't say he's for something if he doesn't include it in his budget.

In any case, the ad was tasteless and over the top.

[Harlowe]

Regardless of his literal stand, that ad was unbelievably tacky.

We have ridiculous ads locally here being put out by Al Franken and Norm Coleman. They are putting forth the most childish campaigns imaginable. The commercials are jokes, no seriously they are half-animated. Sleazy? Not really, but obscenely childish. I'm seriously considering Barkley, I'm definitely NOT considering Franken.

[Klast Brell]

http://www.dinorossi.com/factcheck/stemcellresearch.htm

Dino has had to devote an entire section of his website to combat the false claims and outright lies of Gregoire and her supporters. It's really sad having to listen to all of this crap......racial slurs......outright lies.

Here is how I read that fact check

1. He supports the concept of stem cell research.
2. He opposes funding of actual stem cell research.

Whether he likes the idea of stem cell research or not his opposition to it's funding will prevent it from happening. So either way, no stem cells for you.

[Klast Brell]

Ya. That Coleman add where he claims he is defending unions is particularly laughable.

[Harlowe]

Yeah, but what about the "talking fish" one Franken did. People are getting disgusted with both of them.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/nat ... c:_Yyc:aUU

I did think the ad Norm did with his wife spliced into a kitchen scene with him (because she is actually living in LA pursuing a career) was funny as hell.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2008 ... man_ad.php

If people are curious just YouTube the two of them and you can see both of their stupid ads.

[Kulaf]

http://www.dinorossi.com/factcheck/stemcellresearch.htm

Dino has had to devote an entire section of his website to combat the false claims and outright lies of Gregoire and her supporters. It's really sad having to listen to all of this crap......racial slurs......outright lies.

Here is how I read that fact check

1. He supports the concept of stem cell research.
2. He opposes funding of actual stem cell research.

Whether he likes the idea of stem cell research or not his opposition to it's funding will prevent it from happening. So either way, no stem cells for you.

So you don't believe in private sector funding? It has to come from the government or nothing will happen?

Wait.....what am I thinking asking those questions when I already know the answer.

[Lurker]

So you don't believe in private sector funding? It has to come from the government or nothing will happen?

It has nothing to do with private sector funding vs. public funding, since there will usually be both. But if someone seeking elected office says they support something it's assumed they are talking about public funds. If Rossi says he supports it but doesn't fund it then his support is meaningless and misleading.

[Kulaf]

So you don't believe in private sector funding? It has to come from the government or nothing will happen?

It has nothing to do with private sector funding vs. public funding, since there will usually be both. But if someone seeking elected office says they support something it's assumed they are talking about public funds. If Rossi says he supports it but doesn't fund it then his support is meaningless and misleading.

Ok.....let's look at what the lady in the ad said:

"I get upset when a politician like Dino Rossi says he is against stem cell research,"

Where did Dino Rossi ever say he is against stem cell research? Having the little academic debate on how much is is FOR stem cell reseach is nice......but it doesn't change the fact that the ad is a total and complete lie.

[Lurker]

I agree. If they don't have a quote of him saying he's against stem-cell research then the ad is a lie. They should have just said he was against funding for stem-cell research.

[Kulaf]

I agree. If they don't have a quote of him saying he's against stem-cell research then the ad is a lie. They should have just said he was against funding for stem-cell research.

I would have no issue with the ad if it had claimed Dino Rossi stands against embyonic stem cell reseach. The crying is bad no matter what she had to say.