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I knew this day was coming, I just didn't know if it would happen before Super Tuesday or after. Edwards can break Obama's back by throwing his support behind Clinton. On the other hand, if he gave his support to Obama, I'm not so sure Obama would get all that much out now. From some of the polling in Florida, it seems like Edwards voters would split fairly evenly three ways with a third being swayed by Edwards support (the other two thirds splitting between Obama and Clinton). That extra third would clinch it for Clinton, but it may only even things up for Obama, if Florida is like the rest of the big states. If Edwards campaigned hard for Obama, I think Obama would stand a pretty fair chance of being able to beat Clinton, but anything else seems to lead to a Clinton victory.
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Erm, 'even things up for Obama'?

You DID know he's won more delegates than Clinton, right? Clinton's only advantage was in the 'superdelegates', and she's starting to hemorrage those.

Truthfully, though, this was the right time for Edwards to leave, right before he lost viability. Now he can make the best deal for his votes, which will probably still be needed after 'Super Duper Tuesday'.
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And he can be the frontrunner's VP, if the party decides to go that route again. Maybe not, after what Kerry said about him after 2004's fiasco.
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Edwards won't be the VP.

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OK I'll take a chance here and make a prediction. Complete gut feeling here. Not based on careful analysis.

I'm guessing Bill Richardson or Wesley Clark for Democratic VP and Condi Rice for the republican VP
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Clark would be a good VP pick if McCain gets the GOP nomination.

Condi would be an awesome GOP pick regardless of who gets the Democratic nomination. I think she'd do really well outside the rigid walls of the Bush administration. Pity Powell isn't interested - I think he'd make a good VP too.

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I'm guessing Kathleen Sebelius.
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The democrats need something to balance out the northern thing they have going on with their remaining candidates and Sebelius would also be an excellent choice for Obama to hang on to the independent/moderate votes Clinton carries because she is female. (my wife and I are clashing over that very thing. she feels she has to support Clinton because she is a woman running for president) . If Clinton gets the nod then I Sebelius is out for sure. 2 women is too much for America in 2008. Maybe in 2050. For Clinton I will stick with my Richardson or Carke guess.
Richardson gets them the southern sympathy if Romney gets the nod. Clarke would counter McCain.

I still See Rice as the "do all be all" VP for the GOP. She offers an alternative to people who might be shifted by the prospect of voting for a democrat because of race or gender. And she is whip smart. Not likely to remind people of Dubulyah.
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I wonder what your wife would say if you told her you're supporting Obama because he is a man.

I don't get people who make choices based on gender, and then bitch about choices based on gender. (Not saying your wife is like that) I'm referring to the woman's voting groups that are pissed at Kennedy because he had the audacity to support someone other than the only female candidate. They could give a rats ass about the candidate's qualifications, other than one has a vagina and the rest don't. And that's good enough for them.
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I have no idea what she would say. I support Obama because Clinton is the best get out the vote tool the republicans have. (I would not be surprised to hear of republicans donating to Clinton's primary campaign.) My wife has told me in very straight forward language that she supports Clinton because she is a woman, and she feels an obligation to support "the home team".
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Klast Brell wrote:I have no idea what she would say. I support Obama because Clinton is the best get out the vote tool the republicans have. (I would not be surprised to hear of republicans donating to Clinton's primary campaign.) My wife has told me in very straight forward language that she supports Clinton because she is a woman, and she feels an obligation to support "the home team".
Then your wife is sexist.
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yah thats totally bigotted.

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Well at least she's being honest. How many men wouldn't vote for Hillary for the simple fact she's a woman and there are a lot of guys out there that don't think a woman can do this job. They might go for a VP (someone like Condi) but for their Commander-in-Chief? Nope. Though I doubt they'd come right out and say it.
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as isolationist as this may sound. We need a president thats interested in our country. not shitface with her vested interest with india, nor obama with him living half his life in indonesia.

Edwards had the taint of Kerry still on his jock, so he was out as well.

And the republican party is even worse for choices.
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Mukik wrote:nor obama with him living half his life in indonesia.
Obama only lived in Indonesia for five years you ignorant buffoon.
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and the american public views that 4-6 years as half, my point. And you know who is going to capitalize on the laziness of the americun public?
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Harlowe wrote:Well at least she's being honest. How many men wouldn't vote for Hillary for the simple fact she's a woman and there are a lot of guys out there that don't think a woman can do this job. They might go for a VP (someone like Condi) but for their Commander-in-Chief? Nope. Though I doubt they'd come right out and say it.
An honest sexist is still a sexist. David Duke is an honest racist, but somehow I don't think being honest about racism lends any nobility or justification for excluding people soley on the basis of skin color (or with Klast's wife, the presence of a vah-jay-jay)
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I have to call you on that "Sexist" accusation. We live in a country where women are paid 77 cents for every dollar men are paid. Where only 6.4 percent of fortune 500 companies have women CEO's. Where less than a third of elected offices are held by women.

But to acknowledge that and want to do something about it is sexist?
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Her criteria for supporting Hillary had nothing to do with that, according to your posts, Klast. She supports Hillary soley becuase Hillary is a female. There wasn't anything about policy positions in your post.

And it's also sexist to think that only a woman can fix gender inequalities.
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Embar Angylwrath wrote:And it's also sexist to think that only a woman can fix gender inequalities.
And racist to think that only minorities can fix race inequalities. The democratic party is so filled with hypocricies, it's pitiful.
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