Air America II?

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Air America II?

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Don't know, but still worth questioning.

September, a plane crashes in Mexico. The tail number, as reported by Mexican press, well....I'll just let you read it.
Ya en el mes de septiembre, el avión Grumman Gulfstream con matrícula N987SA, se dirigía nuevamente al aeropuerto de Cancún, pero fue localizado en el radar por militares y fue entonces cuando le solicitaron el plan de vuelo, mismo que la tripulación se negó a proporcionar y después vendría el desplome cerca de Tixkokob en Yucatán.
What makes this so important?

That same plane was used by the US government at least 3 times to fly to Guantanamo between 2003 and 2005.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20060.html
Some news reports have linked the plane to the transport of terrorist suspects to the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but those reports cite logs that indicate only that the plane flew twice between Washington, D.C., and Guantanamo and once between Oxford, Conn., and Guantanamo. No terrorist suspects are known to have been transferred to Guantanamo directly from the United States.
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Only if you belive this:

http://donnablueaircraft.com/

Is a CIA front company......as they own the plane.
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That's a company? Love their contact info... (415) 555-5555

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After a bit of amateur internet sleuthing I have pieced together my theory.

I can find no substantiation to the claim that this plane flew between the U.S. and MUGM (Guantanamo Bay Airport). The website http://flightaware.com does not appear to list any such flights all the way back to the beginning of 2005 according to my friend who is a pilot and has a subscription to the service.

The manager of the aircraft during the time of the alleged flights to MUGM was http://www.arijets.com/ Air Rutter. They are a well known, reputable, and established air charter company. Definitely NOT a CIA front company. They have no record of the plane being flown to Guantanamo.

The plane was then sold to two Brazillians on August 30th of this year and the Brazillian men claim they sold it to two Florida men on September 16th.

The two Brazillian men own the company Donna Blue which does not appear to actually exist and could easily be a CIA front company. Though it is not a very cleverly concealed front company nor would it stand up to even cursory investigation but if the way the CIA handled Valerie Plames all important covert status is to be held as an example then yeah....it could be.

I find it more likely, however, to be a drug smuggling enterprise in which the actors thought to disguise their dealings with charter flights around the Caribbean and a not so well put together front company to register the plane legitimately. Being drug dealers and having a goal of flying several tons of narcotics hither and yon they cannot hire the most reputable pilots out there so they hire a bum and he crashes the plane full of narco in the middle of Mexico.

If the CIA story is to be believed then we must believe that they were so very clever as to hide the flight data of flights to gitmo which takes some bit of effort to come by anyway but forgot to put together a decent front company to hide their activities. Maybe the guy in charge of that was in the john helping himself to some of the product....

We all love to find the super sekrut spy game stuff but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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It could have been the same plane that flew to Gitmo - there's not reason the CIA can't charter a plane to ferry people around and not file a flight plan to do so. Even if it was, I suspect the incidents are wholly unrelated.

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So do any sites list any non military flights to gitmo? If so who owned those planes?
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So do any sites list any non military flights to gitmo? If so who owned those planes?

Yes.

So far today there has been 2 flights to MUGM.

N54PA LJ36 Cartersville (KVPC) 09:46p EST 02:46a GMT
LXF514 SW4 Exuma Int'l (MYEF) 09:59p GMT 10:46p GMT


N54PA is owned by Vpc Planes Llc

LXF514 is a Lynx Airlines owned aircraft.
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