Sorry Romney

[superwalrus]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/06/ ... index.html

So I'm at odds with the founders huh? Sorry Romney, you're outta there!

Walrus

[Klast Brell]

"Freedom requires religion, just as religion requires freedom.

So what does that mean to American atheists? We are not free? We somehow are making America less free?

[Partha]

It's quite a choice for the GOP. The (heretic) Mormon, the guy who gets police protection for his mistresses, the libertarian who's afraid of the Trilateral Commission, and the preacher who pardoned a rapist to kill again.

[Kulaf]

Yeah we all know morals are so key to holding the Presidency......couldn't have a drunk.....or a drugged up womanizer........or a pacifist.

[Partha]

I find it telling about your moral values that you lump pacifists in with criminals.

[Kulaf]

When it comes to being Commander in Chief of the military and being able to "faithfully execute the office of the President of the United States".......why not. But I fail to see where any of my citations were "criminals" unless you consider FDR and JFK criminals......which might be even more telling.

[Kulaf]

But on point:

"Freedom requires religion, just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone,"

It's rather straight foreward if you look at the entire quote. To openly practice any religion requires freedom.......one of the pillars of freedom is the ability to freely practice your religion. If you have one without the other.......you have neither.

[Garrdor]

What a fucking retard.

(Addressing the kids who grew up and don't like to sit in the circle for story-time):

All aboard! We are no longer free. Time to move to lands where we could have freedom from religious nutjobs! (hmm sounds familiar)

[Klast Brell]

But on point:

"Freedom requires religion, just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone,"

It's rather straight foreward if you look at the entire quote. To openly practice any religion requires freedom.......one of the pillars of freedom is the ability to freely practice your religion. If you have one without the other.......you have neither.

If you have freedom without religion you don't have freedom? How does my lack of religion make me less free?

[Trollbait]

Time to move to lands where we could have freedom from religious nutjobs! (hmm sounds familiar)

Except that it is not "Freedom From" you simple nitwit. It is "Freedom Of".

Klasts atheism IS a religion and here he is free to practice it.

Belief in nothing is a belief in something. Crazy, huh?

Atheism requires faith in the same doseage as any other religion.

You don't know for sure that that there is no God but you believe there is not.

So you take it on faith that He does not exist.

Good thing you are free to believe in that particular religious dogma.

Our particular brand of freedom has sprung from our religion.

Going back to Martin Luther and his writings declaring that our rights are granted to us by our Creator and not by man and even before all the way to Plato.

Without the men and women who doggedly stuck to that belief there would have been no concept as laid down in the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

So no matter if you are Athiest or Orthodox Jew, Agnostic or Roman Catholic, or any other faith your continued and unrestricted practice of your faith ensures your freedom as granted by your Creator (whomever or whatever that may be, each according to his belief).

Thank you for being a practicing Athiest and the moment someone forces you out of your religion and makes you go to a Scientology meeting as mandated by the government be sure to let us know. Until then please continue to be an Athiest. God wills it.

[Garrdor]

Does your voice IRL sound like the comic book guy from the Simpsons?

Thank you for allowing me to give you a lil' chub for once again helping you prove that you are intellectually and grammatically dominant. Me love you long time.

Ok, neckbeards and mustard-stained shirts aside:

Yes, yes - I'm very proud of you lil' timmy. You've found the paradox in the Athiest belief system. You win the game!

Oh yeah, I should thank America for letting me not care or worry about the afterlife or our master-plan. Thank you for reminding me.

THANK YOU AMERICA FOR GIVING ME RIGHTS AND PRIVLEDGES THAT BROWN PEOPLE OVERSEAS DON'T GET. THANKS TO YOU I AM GRANTED THE ABILITY TO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD WITHOUT PERSECUTION.

PRAISE AMERICA

[Trollbait]

Exactly the type of idiotic response I expected to get from a degenerate product of public education.

Thank you, Gar for demonstrating why siblings should not have offspring with each other.

[Garrdor]

Hey, if the conservative southern folk do it - it's "God's will", right?

[Partha]

What if you're agnostic?

[JamiesanTGrauerwolf]

Then you aren't really sure if god wants you to have children with your sister?

[Ddrak]

I don't think Romney's quote is particularly insightful. Freedom and religion are not dependent entities.

Dd

[Klast Brell]

Atheism requires faith in the same doseage as any other religion.

Absolutely wrong sir. To believe that you have an invisible friend that can read your mind and will punish you if you have been bad requires a great deal more faith than to believe there is no such thing. You are an atheist when it comes to the Hindu deities are you not? Do you spend as much effort on believing that they do not exist as you do believing in your Christian deity? You don't. You probably think about the god you believe in hundreds of times more often than you think about all the other gods you do not believe in put together. It takes no more faith, prayer, and devotion to believe there is no god, than it takes to believe there is no tooth fairy.

[Trollbait]

Absolutely wrong sir. To believe that you have an invisible friend that can read your mind and will punish you if you have been bad requires a great deal more faith than to believe there is no such thing.

Explain how.

You are an atheist when it comes to the Hindu deities are you not? Do you spend as much effort on believing that they do not exist as you do believing in your Christian deity? You don't.

Umm....I do not expend ANY effort believing in God. I simply do. That is the same effort I expend in disbelieving in Hindu gods. I simply do not.

See? Same amount of faith.

You probably think about the god you believe in hundreds of times more often than you think about all the other gods you do not believe in put together.

How "often" I think about God is irrelevent to an amount of faith. As I said before my faith is absolute. I do not question the existence of God.

As I am sure you do not question the non-existence of God.

See? Same amount of faith.

It does not take prayer and devotion to have faith in God. It takes no effort what so ever.

[Arkaron]

Exactly the type of idiotic response I expected to get from a degenerate product of public education.

Oh, come on.

[Kulaf]

But on point:

"Freedom requires religion, just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone,"

It's rather straight foreward if you look at the entire quote. To openly practice any religion requires freedom.......one of the pillars of freedom is the ability to freely practice your religion. If you have one without the other.......you have neither.

If you have freedom without religion you don't have freedom? How does my lack of religion make me less free?

If you have freedom without religion......good for you, you still have freedom. If you have freedom without religion because religion is banned.......we no longer have freedom.

Got it......it is after all one of the pillars of the U.S. Constitution after all.