watchers and mythical voyager merging

Bahd Zoolander · Post by **Bahd Zoolander** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:40 pm

Midyarth wrote:Ariannda did you know half your guild name is a level in HALO 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RISING..not that part

ASCENSION!

And half of Asshole is the name of an EQ zone.

Catharsis · Post by **Catharsis** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:53 pm

Knott wrote:Only for the people that I knew very well. You must remember that I was a member of SoR until I seen it going no where.

Seekers was definately going nowhere, I certainly can't argue with that statement.. but who was the raid leader for a long period of SoR going nowhere? Oh thats right... YOU.
(aside from Tremlik wanting to do RZ and ONLY RZ regardless of the rest of his guilds' flag status.) - As an aside, Tremlik = nice guy, good chanter, AWFUL guildleader and very poor judge of character.

I think everyone could see Israfel's SoR guldtag coming from a mile away though, with Tremlik trying at every turn to get the stupid bastard tagged. Only for Israfuck to bail on Seekers almost as soon as he got in to app for Watchers, then xfer the fuck out of Brell with his buds and all their ninjalooted toys...

Oh yes'mam.. ninjalooting and suspicious looting happened quite a few times on Israfel's raids ~ Like the time Saryn dropped 2 cloaks, which was then "corrected" to one cloak.. and somewhere in between one of Isra's buds was told to leave raid to switch groups and oh gosh I wonder what happened after the corpse was unlocked but before the guy rejoined the raid

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Or on another (or the same?) Saryn raid (Israfel must have had the hots for her, since he raider Saryn so often) when his girlfriend Neffi rolled on and won some PAL sword CAWU ..except she wasnt yet the required level for it. Or when she "accidently" (haha) looted a shield that turned out to be Priest classes only. (It still had nice stats for a Pally though).. ahh those were the days.. but the raiders all let it slide, because at least we were getting flags that we had no other way to get

Back to you though, I thought you really got up in arms when your twin, Israfel got in. I'd call him your evil twin, but he's more like your brother from another mother since you both have the same jackass full-of-yourselves attitude. I've raided (and wiped) with you both, many times, and while I do respect the fact that you both got people flagged, neither of you is the uber raid leader you think you are. You at least have the benefit of being much more honest when it comes to loot, and the fact that you took a lot of people going nowhere and killed RZ and Fennin with them.

Though the simple fact that you've also guilded some of SoR's worst 'tards speaks to the fact that the droor is/was wide open to anyone from Seekers with little to no screening, as Tremlik has said.

Finally, don't bullshit. The password for Seekers' old board is well known to pretty much anyone who's ever walked in their door.

You saw the post yourself, like every other person thats been through that particular revolving-door of a guild. Noone needed to email it to you.

So in short, you're an arrogant jackass who doesnt have nearly the leadership ability you think you have, but at least you're an honest jackass. And you have definately taken people who were doing nothing and going nowhere in Seekers and have taken them up, but don't try to pretend it's not an open-door policy designed to fuck Tremlik.

GL on Xegony!

Cat

Knott · Post by **Knott** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:32 pm

And to this day, Tremlik still hasnt dropped RZ. It is trivial with 50 people with the level 70 cap. I have had a few SoR members on flag raids recently with no attempt at recruiting them. The ones that came to Endeavour came on their own and for obvious reasons. That reason was not to fuck over a guld or a guild leader. It was to progress in an expansion that is old and to get the gear they have not had the chance to get until now. SoR is no further in content that they were 2 months ago when they left.

As far as me not having the leadership skills I think I have... We are into elementals and moving forward. I would say my leadership skils are right where I think they are.

Tremlik can blame me all he wants for his guilds downfall but the fact remains, they are in the exact same spot they were 6 months ago. No mater who has lead raids for SoR they werent able to spark movement because the guild leader doesnt back them.

As for Israfel, he fucked over SoR yes but the reason the guild was going no where when I was leading raids is I tried to make 1 night a mandatory raid night and the guild wouldnt hear of it and Tremlik didnt back it. That was his choice and his right to choose that. Like many others that left SoR recently and some still in SoR, I was sick of a stagnent guild.

I apped to a couple guild since I have left SoR and have a great respect for them but as I have said to even people that app to Endeavour, app processes are in place for two reasons... "First to make sure you feel right for the guild and second to make sure the guild feels right for you" if either of these things dont click, its not the guild for you. There are three ways an app can end.. #1 with a guild invite, #2 with the app being pulled, or #3 with the app being negged. I have never been "negged" by a guild. not saying I wouldnt have been if I continued the app process but I didnt feel at home.

Thanks for the GL wishes on Xegony. I dont know that if we were to try her tomorrow that we would be ready but we are close. We have the tanks and the CC groups, the healing situation is a crapshoot as it is with most guilds right now. We didnt take a huge hit from WoW or EQ2 but the hit we did take was in the shorts with our healers.

Reii Gaiasliege · Post by **Reii Gaiasliege** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:42 pm

No, Enshadowed never negged Knott. As a matter of fact several of us tried to convince him to reapply- I was one of them. Although I rarely keep up with him (I rarely keep up with anyone, I don't play EQ much this season) I consider Knott a friend. Most of Enshadowed felt the same way, and although his gear was lacking I felt confident that with time he would've done very well with us. Seemingly enough, he has done very well with Endeavour.

From nothing to Elemental planes and killing gods is a monumental accomplishment. Apparently he knows more about leading a raid, and leading a guild, than you do, Cat. A leader is no more than the sum of his fellow raiders, this is true in every situation. Lead a few pickup raids and tell me how well you think you perform. Then lead a raid of organized guildies. I have done both, and I have seen that there's a huge difference and Knott is living proof- his GUILD kills Elemental gods, his pickup raids could not. Endeavour stands to prove that anyone can do something when they try hard enough and even if you think SoR sucked at the time, maybe its because you didn't want to try.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:15 pm

Look. Endeavour has some asshats, this is true. Knott knows I think so, and I stopped raiding with him (as much as I'd love to get SolRo and the Elemental bosses) consequently.

But to say the man has no leadership skills is not merely sour grapes, it's denying reality. And that says a lot more about you than him, man, regardless of your personal opinion of him. (Hell, I thought Saphdia was a stain on Brell, but her ability to lead a guild could not be denied right up to the point where her ego destroyed it.)

Don't be silly.

GreygorMacGreghor · Post by **GreygorMacGreghor** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:37 am

/pet attack Endeavor

"Sorry master, that is not a legal target"

Kyilara · Post by **Kyilara** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:39 pm

Lets see...dirty laundry...making porn videos...something about guilds merging...things really are the same in eq land =) Somethings just never change its great. Jabette you are teh hawt widdle wouge!
Ky-Retired to seek RL

gatorrade · Post by **gatorrade** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:17 pm

the time i tried to apply for endevour (i dont think i even ever got a reply to it just applied and nothing happened) i had the time to talk with knott for a bit ... he seems like a good guy i think that its enough pressure just to lead a guild let alone worry about past problems but i understand what point of view he comes by with inviting people from a past guild ... iw ould do the same for family/friends i got along with well i wouldnt want to see then with the same problems i suffered with i would try and bring them up with me.

---cyeanide 62 sk (still slacking)

ps hi croinc

Croinc · Post by **Croinc** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:04 am

App requirements are at least 65 and ele flagged. We get TONS of recruits and most of them are put to the recycle bin b/c they are not either 65 or Ele flagged. We do not plan on doing backflags anytime soon. Gatorrade, my friend, get 65 and ele'd and I'll sponser u myself.

To me it sounds like Knott took a bunch of people who weren't going anywhere in particular and had them all step up and do something together that they normally couldn't. I don't know about you, but I respect that. He put his heart into th is and it worked out well for him and everyone that went with him.

That's exactly what he did. But, he did it with a profile of peeps that could actually "get along" while they were advancing in eles. We are like an army; One general, a few lieutenants, and a lot of soldiers ready to do what we are asked to do.

Look. Endeavour has some asshats, this is true. Knott knows I think so, and I stopped raiding with him (as much as I'd love to get SolRo and the Elemental bosses) consequently.

Who exactly is an asshat? Like stated earlier, I think we are a group of people who work together for a common goal with trust in each other and a great leadership base in mind. The guild works together, b/c without the guild we are all petty. The guild follows the leadership b/c without the leadership the guild is petty. We are all a team, and we realize that if we are not a team we will acheive nothing. So, if you think End is a bunch of asshats zerging mobs to get phat loots....you are 110% wrong. We are a team. And I am VERY proud of what we have done and I look forward to what we will achieve in the coming weeks.

Oh yeah...fuck you Vorp, you spineless bitch.

--Cro

Fallakin Kuvari · Post by **Fallakin Kuvari** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:48 am

With the exception of Croinc I can say that Endeavour is free of Asshats. :p j/k

OMG, ADD!

rodric · Post by **rodric** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:15 am

I raided with Knott a few times, he showed character and leadership ability. If I had stuck with EQ1 there's a good chance I would apped to his guild.

The truth is if you're serious about playing high end content you're likely to have to leave some people behind, which creates bad feelings. It's hard to get around that, especially in EQ where, as Knott just brought up, you have to get yourself flagged somehow to move up in the game. Practically speaking, this often means joining a mid-level guild and then ditching them later.

Rhodric
65 Enchanter (retired)

Rhodrick
65 Cleric (retired)

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:26 am

Who exactly is an asshat?

For starters, Croinc, you.

Again, I have respect for Knott as a person and for what he accomplished. The worst I can say about Knott is that he has a bit of an ego, but then who am I to complain about that.

Keeanah · Post by **Keeanah** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:34 pm

I think that the ego you refer to comes from KNOWING he does a good job Beek. That's not a bad thing. There is a very proud sense of accomplishment when you take a raid and whip them into shape and get shit done and knowing you had a hand in that. Not just A hand, but the MAIN hand. At least for me there is. When I take a raid and lead it to completion, I'm very proud of my raiders for getting shit done. The joy for me in leading raids (yes, I love leading raids - pick up or otherwise) is when I see someone that needed just one more flag to be elemental and got it, or they go crazy because they won a roll on something that is a major upgrade for them.

But when we fail, I feel like there is ALWAYS something I could have done more. For instance, last night, going into RZ, we had 2 wizzies, when it came time for their usefulness, one had left without telling me and the other had fallen asleep at his keyboard. *I* should have been on top of that. We failed because of that reason and that reason alone. We'd have taken him out on AoD's first attempt (thanks to Umpy, Nega and Milaa for all the help) if I had been on top of my shit.

His ego is not a bad thing. Knott is a very good person as well as a very competent raid leader.

Knott · Post by **Knott** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:37 pm

One mans trash is another mans treasure. Same thing aplies to people in EQ... one mans asshat is another mans guildie. I can agree that there are some that think croinc is an asshat but when he is online and when it comes to the guild, he is one of the most dedicated people we have and also plays his class well.

If I didnt invite anyone that had at least a few people that hated them I wouldnt have a guild.

foeham · Post by **foeham** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:59 pm

aye , croinc does play his class well , and know's what he's doing.

more than i can say about some of the dingle dorf's on this board.

Reii Gaiasliege · Post by **Reii Gaiasliege** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:06 pm

Aye Endeavour has a lot of great folks. I'm glad you guys got where you did in such a short time, you all know your stuff

-=Xilanthanax=- · Post by **-=Xilanthanax=-** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:00 pm

This thread reeks of penis.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:47 pm

Oh, Keeanah, I agree completely. I used to run raids back in the day myself. I loooved pulling Fear. And there is some ego about doing the job well, and there is some taking it to heart when you fail. (I only really failed twice, mind you, out of about twenty raids I ran.)

Like I said, I'm in no position to knock Knott for having an ego.

Croinc · Post by **Croinc** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:54 am

Funny thing is, the only peeps who don't like me are the ones that read this board.

Thanks for the compliments.

As for you Beek, well nevermind. I won't waste my time on small fries like you.

Toodles.