Clinton vs. Obama

[SicTimMitchell]

McCain is a hero because he refused to make propaganda statements against the US despite repeated torture.

I'd have cracked like an egg in a vise.

According to others at the "Hanoi Hilton," he also served to boost morale and act as a leader.

That's a fucking hero.

[Partha]

You know, you're really desperate when the examples you use to showcase his 'independance' include

Ensign Amdt. No. 2300; To prohibit funding for the support, development, or distribution of the Department of Education's e-Language Learning System (ELLS)

, the Hawaii Reorganization Act, and motions to table amendments like Leahy's on prisoners that he voted against later.

Plus you've never quite explained how voting against the bulk of the GOP makes him a 'true conservative'. Are you saying the majority of the GOP are false conservatives?

Oh, wait, but he goes on TV and says bad things about Bush! He MUST be a 'maverick'!

[Flunkie]

Hillary/Obama would be one hell of a combination... *if* they can avoid tearing strips off each other in the primary. It comes down to whether Obama is a good enough politician to know he can't win the primary and team with the person who can.

A woman/black combination for President isn't a bad idea. Last I looked, white men were in a minority.

The only GOP candidate that can beat Hillary is McCain. Hillary+Obama vs McCain would be one hell of an interesting battle given their politics are actually very similar.

Dd

Well here we are a year later... What do you say now that so much time has passed? I have enjoyed the jabs so far, especially the rumor that Obama may have been a drug dealer in his tragic youth. Supposedly Clinton has this evidence to use if Armageddon should become necessary. I never thought there was much chance that they would run together and I think on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being impossible, 10 being meta-physical certitude, it's probably a 2 that they will end up together.

I don't count McCain out, and I agree that if anyone can beat out Clinton, it'll be McCain. The right-wing pundits seem to want Clinton to get the nomination so that there can be some sort of dramatic show down at high noon. Considering the way things are now any of the candidates against anyone will end up being a drama. Bush vs. Gore was boring compared to what's coming.

[Finglefinn]

I'd get into this election if the final ticket was Hillary/Obama vs. Guiliani/McCain.

I'm voting for Ron Paul in the primary.

[Flunkie]

I'd get into this election if the final ticket was Hillary/Obama vs. Guiliani/McCain.

I'm voting for Ron Paul in the primary.

I'd hold my breathe on the dead rising from the graves and cats and dogs sleeping together before that battle could/would/should take place. If Clinton/Obama is a 2, Guiliani/McCain is a -10.

[Klast Brell]

A Clinton Obama ticket is extremely unlikely. They are both northerners. I would expect either of them to be matched with a southerner for the VP spot. Maybe Richardson to pull in the Hispanic vote.

[Ddrak]

Well here we are a year later... What do you say now that so much time has passed?

I think I was probably a little off track. I still think Clinton/Obama would be an interesting Democratic ticket, but I don't know that it would be a possibility to actually happen. McCain seems to have just fallen out of the picture to be honest.

I think the final show will be Clinton v. Guiliani and it's going to be interesting to see how the GOP voters turn out in that case - whether the dislike for Rudy's immoral ways will be stronger or weaker for the fear of another Clinton in the white house.

I don't think we're even close to seeing all the nastiness that will come out in the Primaries, and I expect monthly surprises leading up to November.

Dd

[Flunkie]

I have to admit that Clinton v. Guiliani would be a nice fight to watch, but in the end I wouldn't care which one won the race. They are two sides of the same bad coin.

[Partha]

Giuliani is now officially done.

Calling for genocide will do that to a campaign.

[Klast Brell]

Come on Partha. Even I can see it's bullshit to tar and feather a candidate for the words of one supporter.

Now if we hear similar statements from all sorts of other Rudy proxies I'll start to believe that the campaign actually has a hand in this. Right now though all we have is one very old republican.

[Partha]

He's not the first to make similar comments, Klast. Just the latest.

What if the tactical mistake we made in Iraq was that we didn't kill enough Sunnis in the early going to intimidate them and make them so afraid of us they would go along with anything? Wasn't the survival of Sunni men between the ages of 15 and 35 the reason there was an insurgency and the basic cause of the sectarian violence now?

Both men are still with the campaign atm as well.

[Arkaron]

I don't know if McCain has the money to win right now.

I wish Oprah hadn't said anything about Obama. While it's effective branding, I hate Oprah. Women everywhere are hypnotized by her and I have no clue why. Last time I saw her show, I was visiting my mother and women in the audience were crying over a fridge.

I don't know what to think of Clinton, except that for being a country without monarchy, we certainly seem to have a number of historically political "families" and I don't know if I want "a Clinton" in office again.

[Flunkie]

The funny thing about Clinton is that I don't think she really has much of an agenda, I think she just really really really wants to be the President. She would likely toy around with the healthcare issue, but I doubt anything truly beneficial would come of it. California is trying to pass a state funded healthcare insurance program that it is not likely to even make it to the ballot. But even if it does, the voters will send it down in flames (for various reasons). When you think of Clinton, what other problems do you see her tackling and fixing? Immigration? Forget it. Social Security? I doubt it. Terrorism? She'll play reactionary like good old Bill did. Peace in the Middle East? She's no Jimmy Carter. Nuclear Iran? I think she complains but lets it ride, no military action. Tax system overhaul? No; more of the same. Trade Deficit? She'll make deals that look like positives on the surface, but have no real substance. In short, she is nothing more than the status quo and a passive do-nothing candidate. She gets up everyday and looks around to see which way the winds blowing, and then rides the wind. I see her as a candidate that, if elected, will recreate the same kind of deep political divisions within the populace that exist today with the anti-Bush crowd. There is such a strong cadre of anti-Clinton sentiment in the US that if she becomes president, nothing will get done because she'll be too busy trying to watching the polls, studying focus group results, delivering rhetoric, and meeting with advisor's to worry about anything else. And I have to wonder if the right-wing radio/TV talk shows will get under her skin the way they famously did with Bill.

For a case in point example look no further than Nancy Pelosi; what good has come out of the Congress in the last year? She's a weak leader with an even weaker sense of what reality is for the life of the average Joe walking down the street. Talk about out of touch...

[Flunkie]

Obama seems to be a falling star at this point and I don't count out Clinton, not by a long ways. The Clintons are the King and Queen of comeback, and it's not like Obama has an insurmountable lead. What I wonder at this point is if Clinton has any big bombs to lob at Obama? The Jeremiah Wright scandal doesn't seem to be a result of anything the Clinton's did, so maybe they got a big freebie there. Obama's taken more heat from that than I would have guessed. But as the Campaign moves on, I think that will fade out, so Clinton needs a bomb. The Resco and drug dealer accusations appear to be all used up. The current flap over his policy flip-flopping isn't likely to go anywhere, hell politicians flip-flop all the time, America is used to that. Someone need to tell the Clintons that Armageddon is at hand...