The Dark Side of Brell: Another Nostalgia Thread

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I know of quite a few people who used MQ towards the 'end of the era' of EQ, altho I will say without a doubt that none of them were using it for purposes beyond 'convienance'. Speaking for myself, about 9 months before I quit I developed a severe pain in my left wrist and had to take about 6 weeks off due to this, I just couldn't play. Then someone told me about MQ and how I could use it to automate the mundane part of twisting. It was a godsend to me and allowed me to play again. All in all it does not take skill to push 4 buttons in succession non stop.

How far did I go with MQ? Not far really. I thought the map feature was neat to play around with, but of all the non-macro functions I loved the zone wide targeting for raids. Why would you want to send a rogue/monk/whatever to the zone to wait 30+ min for a straggler when you could just target them and tell a mage to assist you.
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Buntar, two-boxing with EQWindows isn't really an exploit. :P

I do it on a hourly basis, heh.
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Falundir X`Viento wrote: Then someone told me about MQ and how I could use it to automate the mundane part of twisting. It was a godsend to me and allowed me to play again. All in all it does not take skill to push 4 buttons in succession non stop.
You can use a programable joystick to twist 4 songs, it's actually pretty simple. The real power behind MQ is the ability to parse out the log file and examine server messages, health status, attack messages, etc. This, in addition to pressing buttons and taking action, allows all kinds of automation.
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Hakthek wrote:Buntar, two-boxing with EQWindows isn't really an exploit. :P

I do it on a hourly basis, heh.
People needed EQWindoes to 2 box?
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Not necessarily, but it made it better.

In my opinion having tried both, that is.
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Post by Fallakin Kuvari »

I didn't have too many problems just running 2 straight instances of EQ...

Heck, I do the same thing now in WoW if the Laptop isn't close and I'm feeling lazy...
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Kinda lame bug but I'll share just for fun.

Anyone remember Wombastic? Wizard or necro.

Hunted guards in FP sewers, near the sewer zone to north freeport. One day, nearly dead, I crawled to the zone, and reached a spot where I didn't zone but the guard couldn't reach me.

Sat down, healed up, then slew him. Wombastic was nearby and I knew him (not really a friend) and told him. He was like cool. A day or two later the bug was fixed and the sweet spot was gone.

A little bird told me that exploiters aren't always immediately busted. They are simply shadowed by invis GMs to see what other exploits they are using. Based on learning this I suspect Wombastic was on that GM hit list. Wonder how long thereafter I was on the hit list.

I wonder if any other freeport Paladins around at the time knew of this bug too (Steejans, Raedar, Khoren, Josephin, etc). Not saying used it; just knew of it.
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Post by Falundir X`Viento »

Reminds me of the 'sweetspot' as you called it in Mistmoore in the Jail. Sinnaire used to sit and camp it to death and if she screwed up she would take the entire castle to zone thanks to the pathing in there. She killed everyone in that zone quite a few times.
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LOL cheating to gain xp then when it backfires instead of eating a death, train everyone else. Too funny.

When I think of trains the first thing that comes to mind is Nillon training alligators in cazic thulle. Every so often you'd see that all-caps train message.

Think cazic was my first experience with others' trains, which is why it stands out. Spent all earlier days leveling outside Oasis, lake rathe, Aviaks. Occasionally went into permafrost but that was always empty.
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unrest was my first "big trains zone" besides crushbone

god i loved unrest
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I always thought that Sebilis trains were the most impressive. Seb, and PoNightmare were my favorite zones in the game. Fun times...

I never got into 'cheating.' In fact I never really thought about it. I was usually so into playing that I wouldn't give much else any thought. It's very interesting hearing about these stories though.

I guess the closest I ever got was to camp my bard up in plane of hate. (or fear, whatever it was) Every day before I started playing, I would log him in to send out super eyes of zomm to check if the mage epic guy was up and if he had the staff in hand. I think it was about 2-3 weeks before he finally was spawned with the staff. I got some help from the guild to go up there and got my epic done that night. I couldn't imagine raiding the plane that much and get lucky enough to have the stupid staff drop, then on top of that win it against other mages. :shock:
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Hmm I was mistaken. Unrest was actually my first experience with trains. Hanging out on the wall with my regular friends plus clerics Strana and Eridani (spelling?).

Those trains were the coolest because you could see the big arse train just walking back. Seeing a festering hag in the mix was rare and inspired awe.

/boring nostalgia trip off.
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My first experience with trains was Befallen.... and it was usually me making them :lol:
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Arlyh wrote
One day, in Uqua, we downed Vrex Barxt Qurat and wiped right after,
Did any one else read that as " One day, in band camp, I stuck my flute in my pussy" ?.

Remember the fear bug in PoJ ? although it wasn't that wicked of XP, you could get an AA in a relatively short period of time if you could cast fear, soon every friggen SK cleric, and necro from brell had a mob stacked up in there. Some days 20 mobs would be on top of each other, till some one would forget to time the fear, then a SK would FD when another mob hit them, then all hell broke loose. GY was packed in those days, was fun as hell to watch especially when a noob had no idea where ZO was and ran back to the GY thinking it was there, dragging 15 mobs with him. Lol I remember a thread or 2 on those subjects.
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I used to have a major hardon for playing with pathing, and using flash of light in conjunction with incomplete pathing to effectively disable any mobs ability to attack, some summoned but they would not hurt you unless you pushed them or did something which set them back to movement which coinsided with a generic waypoint. (with blind you could make mobs "skip" waypoints, and they would act as if agro had been cleared and attempt to execute their individual pathing as if they were suddenly back at their spawn point but be unable to, and basically freeze there in limbo while trying to reach a temporarily unavailable path , this is how I figure it to have worked anyways) If anybody ever came across my paladin in an empty zone playing with one of my trains, yes I was training around because it amused me but I was also looking for telltale deviations in pathing.
I did many things like this just because I enjoyed playing with mechanics and found it interesting, and also taught me things which had legitimate applications once in awhile, but I never used the bugs I found to benefit myself or anybody else. In fact I think I have only been seen a few times by people bugging mobs, and that was so I could res some dead people in solro without spending the time it took me to solo there as a pally at the time, and then of course I went "wow crazy bug check this out!!" Since people were curious about the mobs standing in front of them that acted as if they were mezzed but clearly were not.
I have even purposely unbugged mobs when kiting with flash for a raid encounter sent them into bug mode by accident.
I dont know if this counts as cheating or not, as I have been watched by a gm when solo in empty zones training and learning specific pathing with Flash, and they never said anything to me about it.
There are other methods I have found to recreate the scenario of the npc becoming unable to attack but they are more complicated, and involve successful use of certain class-traits after failing to resist certain fear spells and certain charm spells, so its very situational and not as easy to recreate, and of course only work on mobs who can cast certain spells on you.
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I used to have a major hardon for playing with pathing, and using flash of light in conjunction with incomplete pathing to effectively disable any mobs ability to attack, some summoned but they would not hurt you unless you pushed them or did something which set them back to movement which coinsided with a generic waypoint. (with blind you could make mobs "skip" waypoints, and they would act as if agro had been cleared and attempt to execute their individual pathing as if they were suddenly back at their spawn point but be unable to, and basically freeze there in limbo while trying to reach a temporarily unavailable path , this is how I figure it to have worked anyways) If anybody ever came across my paladin in an empty zone playing with one of my trains, yes I was training around because it amused me but I was also looking for telltale deviations in pathing.
I did many things like this just because I enjoyed playing with mechanics and found it interesting, and also taught me things which had legitimate applications once in awhile, but I never used the bugs I found to benefit myself or anybody else. In fact I think I have only been seen a few times by people bugging mobs, and that was so I could res some dead people in solro without spending the time it took me to solo there as a pally at the time, and then of course I went "wow crazy bug check this out!!" Since people were curious about the mobs standing in front of them that acted as if they were mezzed but clearly were not.
I have even purposely unbugged mobs when kiting with flash for a raid encounter sent them into bug mode by accident.
I dont know if this counts as cheating or not, as I have been watched by a gm when solo in empty zones training and learning specific pathing with Flash, and they never said anything to me about it.
There are other methods I have found to recreate the scenario of the npc becoming unable to attack but they are more complicated, and involve successful use of certain class-traits after failing to resist certain fear spells and certain charm spells, so its very situational and not as easy to recreate, and of course only work on mobs who can cast certain spells on you.
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gah double post sorry, Stupid avg froze me up;/ please delete the above post and this one.
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Post by Josephin DuPhaedrus »

Hey Arclan, I do remember that spot, although I never exploited it. GMs will watch players who have been reported to do naughty things, which could have been the case with Wombastic (I remember him, also, but never hung out with him). It's also possible that Wombastic was a Guide or GM and turned your exploit in himself. Never know. :P

Also, good call on the trains in Unrest - although Befallen was my first train experience zone. Befallen sucked ass to get trained in because you had to unlock those freakin' doors!! Unrest was wicked, though...can't count how many times I died just zoning-in there to find 6,000 zombies and db skellies having a bloodfest at the zone line. Now no one goes there much...which is too bad because it still has the potential to be a good 20-something camping zone if SOE would update the loot tables and expand the storyline there. Ah well.
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I am most proud of in EQ is when I made a level 1 mage one day, and then raided Rallos Zek with Enshadowed at level 63 with her that night. I only knew of one other person across all servers who knew about that bug
Those were good times indeed, Ickhor. I did it as well, and I actually knew about you doing it, but like you said, everyone kept "hush hush". It was that bard (You know who I'm talking about, but I wont mention his name) who showed me it, but I programmed my own macros, etc...

I also had used a program to cast any buff on myself (caused eq to crash within 5minutes though), plat duped (again a bug in grobb that has been fixed), the no-drop item through shared bank hack, and the noob ones as well (enduring breath, super crazy run speed, no summon, warping)

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Yeah that bard ruled :D
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