GOP wants candidate off ticket:

[Embar Angylwrath]

We're all human and we all dislike people and say mean shit - but if you are going to hold yourself up as being morally superior or having values that others do not, well then....show it. Show you are better and don't use religion (or the simple fact you go to church) as some sort of bragging right to attack others or put yourself above them, use it as your own personal guide.

Whether you go to church or not shouldn't make you feel superior to others. If it does....I think I can safely say "ur doin it wrong".

That almost sounds like you're preaching to Fail.. ya' know.. trying to take the moral highground, and sit in judgment on Fail and tell him how he can be better while condemning him for doing the same...

[Lurker]

Harlowe's point was that people shouldn't brag about going to church or pretend that the simple act means they have higher morals or values than other people. So no... they aren't doing the same thing at all. Her point wasn't complicated. How did you manage to misunderstand it so completely, or do you just have a knee-jerk impulse to provide cover for teabaggers large and small?

[Embar Angylwrath]

Harlowe made some pretty broad statements that made some pretty biased assumptions..

You're the kind of faux-Christian that gives organized religion a bad name. Because you don't go to church for spiritual reasons or to be a better person - you go (if you really do) and use it to put yourself above others, to feel superior, but you do not live it or walk the walk

Sounds like she's sitting in judgment to me. How does she know why or why not Fail goes to church? How does she know how Fail lives the large part of his life? Those were complete down-the-nose look and hissy-fit statements by our resident Queen Snarkapotamus.

[Taxious]

How does she know why or why not Fail goes to church? How does she know how Fail lives the large part of his life?

It appears Fallakin goes to church to have values that other people don't? At least according to this thread...

We will never line up on our beliefs, because assuredly unlike you I go to church and have values that actually matter to me.

Actually I was only comparing myself as better than Partha

Please. I'm at least 10 times more informed than thousands of those people.

[Harlowe]

I knew you'd get it Lurker. The point was pretty clear, it was in response to someone saying they have values unlike others because they go to church, not knocking people judging others in general. I definitely look down my nose at dishonest people.

Ooooh boy, way to completely miss the point and knee-jerk your teabag support.

I see you had no problem with your fellow bagger judging Partha as someone with no values.

ETA: I don't believe those people that claim to have superior values and call themselves Christians are actually people of faith if they use the fact they go to church or call themself a Christian as something to brag about. To me....that's no different than dressing up like a Doctor for Halloween and calling yourself an MD.

[Partha]

I personally don't care what Invisible Friend you have. I haven't attended a church for any reason other than a wedding or a funeral for about 25 years, but I don't consider church attendance to be a very good marker of one's personal morality or lack thereof, anyways. Rather than worry about their churchgoing habits or which section of Holy_Book_X they claim, I look more at Fall's and Embar's willingness to pull the social safety net out from under the least of us under some fiction that the only way we progress is by making sure kids and the elderly suffer so Paris Hilton isn't unfairly taxed.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Hope you can swim Partha, because that last statement was definately off the deep end of the pool.

[Partha]

Hey, you're the guy who wants to detonate the public school system and bitches about paying taxes. If you don't like the logical consequences from those stands, then you shouldn't be advocating them.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Hey, you're the guy who wants to detonate the public school system and bitches about paying taxes. If you don't like the logical consequences from those stands, then you shouldn't be advocating them.

I'm the guy that's not satisifed with how the PS is run and wants to see improvement, since we're wasting a generation of kids. You're the complacent guy that doesn't want to upset the dynamic, and you could give a rat's ass about educational standards. I also want fiscal responsibility, and that means using tax revenue in a more legitimate and efficient way, thus reducing the need for taxes. You're fine with the bloated spending because, hey, you don't pay much taxes anyway, so whats it to you. After all, its not like you have to contribute...

[Jarochai Alabaster]

You're fine with the bloated spending because, hey, you don't pay much taxes anyway, so whats it to you. After all, its not like you have to contribute...

Who's gone off the deep end again?

[Partha]

He admits teachers are underpaid, but he wants to destroy the union which is their only way to get decent pay for their efforts.

He insists we have to get rid of public education as it stands right now, but he doesn't want to spend any money for his brand new, always working perfectly fictional education system that you'd have to build from the ground up. Oh, yeah, and his big idea is to give every family a chunk of money...but he needs a tax break on top of it.

Embar's efforts on education always boil down to 'fuck the poor'. Evidently he seems to think they'll do all right for themselves on whatever he pays them to clean his house.

[Embar Angylwrath]

He admits teachers are underpaid, but he wants to destroy the union which is their only way to get decent pay for their efforts.

He insists we have to get rid of public education as it stands right now, but he doesn't want to spend any money for his brand new, always working perfectly fictional education system that you'd have to build from the ground up. Oh, yeah, and his big idea is to give every family a chunk of money...but he needs a tax break on top of it.

Embar's efforts on education always boil down to 'fuck the poor'. Evidently he seems to think they'll do all right for themselves on whatever he pays them to clean his house.

Pretty much all misrepresentations of my positions. But to be expected from you, I suppose.

So... what's your plan for improving the PS system in the US? You're quick to attack ideas that challenge the status quo, but I don't see you putting out ideas of your own.

And I clean my own house...

[Partha]

Sorry, your anti-teachers union bias is well known and documented here. Do you REALLY want me to start pulling quotes?

Unions have turned into nothing more than homes for the entitlement-minded.

As far as improving the education system in America, I actually agree with you - the model that we've been using for the last 400 years doesn't work effectively for all students. But the fix will not be cheap. What it will come down to is testing children while they're two or three to determine how they learn best. Then you'll have to have a school system that allows for multiple tracks of learning, rather than trying to make every child receive instruction in the same way. You'll also want to revamp the curriculum by finally deciding what it is you want to teach these children, and make it universal. You cannot move forward as a country if you allow some states and localities to retard children's development because of religious or cultural restrictions. You're also going to have to have to pay teachers a LOT more, and come up with a LOT more of them, because class sizes need to come down for optimal results.

Of course, it will not happen because of the parochial and because of the penurious. But that's the basics.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

I personally don't care what Invisible Friend you have. I haven't attended a church for any reason other than a wedding or a funeral for about 25 years, but I don't consider church attendance to be a very good marker of one's personal morality or lack thereof, anyways. Rather than worry about their churchgoing habits or which section of Holy_Book_X they claim, I look more at Fall's and Embar's willingness to pull the social safety net out from under the least of us under some fiction that the only way we progress is by making sure kids and the elderly suffer so Paris Hilton isn't unfairly taxed.

Asshole.

[Partha]

Yes? You rang?

[Ddrak]

What it will come down to is testing children while they're two or three to determine how they learn best. Then you'll have to have a school system that allows for multiple tracks of learning, rather than trying to make every child receive instruction in the same way. You'll also want to revamp the curriculum by finally deciding what it is you want to teach these children, and make it universal. You cannot move forward as a country if you allow some states and localities to retard children's development because of religious or cultural restrictions. You're also going to have to have to pay teachers a LOT more, and come up with a LOT more of them, because class sizes need to come down for optimal results.

I'm not convinced you'd learn much at 2-3, but I don't know the research in the area. I'd more guess you'd have to continually test to see which methods are better through their lives.

Other than that, nothing much is wrong with your statements in my opinion. The question becomes one of how much you value education as a nation.

Dd

[Partha]

Dd, I think they'd learn quite a bit. We all know that some people learn better through instruction, some through actual hands on work, etc. The earlier you can start finding out how they're wired up by nature, the better you can plan to teach them. The original Montessori schools had a similar idea, they started at about the same age, and her idea was eventually to have the kids creched in the school. That's further than I want to go, but I see where she was coming from.