Palin as Republican VEEP

[Fallakin Kuvari]

It was only a matter of time before a conservative who favored abstinence only education, which is shown to corrolate well with teen pregnancy, had a knocked up teenage daughter.

Actually if you dig around you'll find she also advocates birth control. ( http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa ... 38,00.html ). Also she does support abortion if the mother's life is at risk ( http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/electi ... 6781c.html ).

[Embar Angylwrath]

Fallakin -

If you look more closely into her record, I think you'll find that the article you linked mis-represents her position on abortion. She supports saving the mother first, and if in the act of saving the mother, the baby dies, then so be it. That's a different distinction than an outright advocation of abortion.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Eh, if the mother's going to have physical harm I believe in aborting... so be it if the baby dies, thats the point of aborting to save the mother.

[Arkaron]

That article also suggests that she equates creationism with evolutionism, which I have a big, big problem with.

I miss old conservatives.

[Kulaf]

Doesn't say she equates them.....in fact I am quite sure in her mind they are no where near equal. What it says is that she believes creationism should be presented in schools as an alternative to evolutionary theory. Which if done in a philosophy class I have no problem with.....but it shouldn't be done in a science class.

[Partha]

Her husband also was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party - initial reports had her being a member as well, but it can't be confirmed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/ ... 9075.shtml

Not being registered as an AIP member did not keep some Alaskans from being supporters of the party and its aims. Jack Coghill, the lieutenant governor of Alaska from 1990 to 1994 and a candidate for governor in 1994 on the AIP ticket, told Mother Jones that being friendly with the AIP and a registered Republican was "common" in the 1990s. Might Palin had had a similar relationship with the party? Given her husband's long-time membership in the group, Palin was likely aware of the group's tenets. And in 2008, as governor, she submitted a welcoming video to the AIP convention in Fairbanks. "Your party plays an important role in our state's politics," she said. "I've always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well… We have a great promise: to be a self-sufficient state." She closed by saying, "Good luck on a successful and inspiring convention. Keep up the good work, and God bless you.""

I want to hear members of the Party of Lincoln talk about how secession is a good thing.

[Klast Brell]

But she does not support abortion for rape or incest.

Only to save the life of the mother is nearly a moot point. Either the fetus dies and the mother lives, or the fetus dies and the mother dies as well. Either way the fetus dies. This is not much different than the one or 5 argument we had int eh other thread. Only in this case the one is going to die no matter what. it's just a question of whether you actively kill the one or passively let the one and the other 5 die.

As far as her electability... Well she will get the VPILF vote. And the ultra right wing pro life pro gun women who were going to vote for Hillary only because she is a woman vote. But I highly doubt that she is going to pull more than a tiny fraction of votes off Obama / Biden. Rumor has it that even up to the last day the McCain campaign was vetting Paulenty. He probably would have been a wiser choice. But he has a penis, so too bad for him.

[Ariannda Kusanagi]

I despise Hillary and I think I've demonstrated and I'm personally not swayed by tits and a fun pouch. So what that she's a mother of 5, and her oldest kid is knocked up (having been in that position myself I can say without a tiny bit of reservation it had nothing to do with the way I was raised, or my parents beliefs or their parenting ability, although they didn't advocate birth control. I was told about twice "Don't have sex, period" but thats a moot point all in all) and she believe abortion (I believe the term is selective reduction) in cases where the mother is at risk versus making a choice. I don't think she's qualified for the job either. I think it's a bunch of right wing propaganda in order to make McCain look better by having a nice, younger, woman at his side in an effort to show the American public that he's an open minded individual capable of making coherent choices... which he's not. Maybe she's a great woman, maybe she's a good governor and maybe she's done a ton of wondrous things for the people of bum fucked Alaska, but with a high School diploma and 5 kids being her qualifications then frankly I could be VP candidate. Sure being a mother is the toughest job in the world (and having been both a stay at home and a working mother I feel I'm qualified to say this) however running the household doesn't equate to being able to run the country.... sorry ladies, you don't get my vote because everything you've got on you, so do I.


did you SEE the RNC ? It's was all about McCain being a POW, again, still... I mean lets find something ab it more substantial for becoming President then "he was beaten!"

[Kulaf]

Her husband also was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party - initial reports had her being a member as well, but it can't be confirmed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/ ... 9075.shtml

Not being registered as an AIP member did not keep some Alaskans from being supporters of the party and its aims. Jack Coghill, the lieutenant governor of Alaska from 1990 to 1994 and a candidate for governor in 1994 on the AIP ticket, told Mother Jones that being friendly with the AIP and a registered Republican was "common" in the 1990s. Might Palin had had a similar relationship with the party? Given her husband's long-time membership in the group, Palin was likely aware of the group's tenets. And in 2008, as governor, she submitted a welcoming video to the AIP convention in Fairbanks. "Your party plays an important role in our state's politics," she said. "I've always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well… We have a great promise: to be a self-sufficient state." She closed by saying, "Good luck on a successful and inspiring convention. Keep up the good work, and God bless you.""

I want to hear members of the Party of Lincoln talk about how secession is a good thing.

Wait.....so this means James Carville is really a Republican?

[Ariannda Kusanagi]

Theres no reason to bring up God in politics, ever. it's kind of like a double negative.

[Kulaf]

Theres no reason to bring up God in politics, ever. it's kind of like a double negative.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

God forbid.

[Rsak]

WOW

Ariannda that statement must be the most historically ignorant statement I have seen recently.

[Ariannda Kusanagi]

Oh come on. The subject of God in politics has long been a debate. I have no problem with the Pledge of Allegiance, or the Star Spangled Banner, or the Constitution but it's got to be an all or nothing deal. If we're separating church from state then do so and be done with it. you can't manipulate the choices to suit your best interested when the time is right, then flip to the other side when it suits your best interests. I don't see anyone advocating prayer in school, OR changing the words of the past that we've all come to cherish as our rights.

So why even bring it up. Saying "have a blessed day" or "May God bless you" in random sentences just isn't necessary. Now maybe the proper reply would have been "May God have mercy on the souls of our enemies!"

Oh Rsak, you stating something as being ignorant is the pot calling the kettle black. The history of the country was founded on religion but now it's unPC to bring it up. In politics you can't have your God and pray to him too, you can have one or the other. It's not like i said "OMG LETS REMOVE GOD FROM MONEY TOO !".

[Rsak]

Keep digging the hole with each post Ari.

Separation of Church and State is a less then 250 year concept. That is a drop in the bucket when it comes to recorded human history.

Human history is filled with state governments being created by the religious groups. Government leaders were also religious leaders.

And it is not like things have changed in recent years. This day and age you have the church of Atheism, Agnosticism, and even Global Warming. They may not require worship but they are still regulated to issues of faith(believing something, not necessarily about a deity) and they push an agenda.

Modern day politics is all about getting enough believers in your religion so you can get the power to push your agenda. You can call it conservative/liberal, democrat/republican, or pro-choice/pro-life but the fact remains.

[Ariannda Kusanagi]

I see your post but I fail to see an actual point. I didn't disagree with a single thing you said, all I said was that theres no point in bringing up God where politics are concerned, because THESE days it's a wasted effort, since it' s a separate issue all together. God is simply a tool to be wielded like the rest of the politicians bag of tricks. Mention God and it'll make someone feel all warm and fuzzy inside, that person will then vote for you.

We should start a new religion. I mean if L. Ron Hubbard can do it why not us ?

[Rsak]

You apparently did not read the last paragraph. It is not a separate issue since God is just the other side of the coin from Global Warming or any other agenda.

[Ariannda Kusanagi]

Reading Comprhenshun, i haz it. I think you're misunderstanding MY point chum.

It's been a separate issue and debate as of late.

When I was in high school there was a Christian Club my neighbor belonged to. They gathered in front of the school every morning and said a prayer for the day, and they were allowed to distribute flyers on the school grounds. Several years later the school disbanded the club and no religious forms were to be distributed. It didn't hurt anything, or anyone, but again God has been banned in public, even though it's right there in the Constitution. So how can prayer be banned in schools, and then you can make a public speech and ask for Gods blessing ?

Money, Religion and Politics... things never to discuss with anyone, right ?

[Klast Brell]

This day and age you have the church of Atheism

I'll take Oxymorons for 100 Alex.
I get so tired of people trotting that one out. Passive atheism (I don't believe in god and I don't make a big deal out of it) is no more a religion than not believing in the tooth fairy. Active atheism (quit shoving your god down my throat) is no more a religion than the NRA.

[Klast Brell]

So how can prayer be banned in schools, and then you can make a public speech and ask for Gods blessing ?

Because children are required to go to school by law. You can walk away from a public speech and not be dragged back by the truancy patrol.
Look at it from some other sides of the table. A christian would not be happy to have Islam foisted on their child. To have quotes from the Qur’an all over the classroom walls. To have the classes lead in prayers towards Mecca by the teachers. "OK children time to go wash, your face, hands and feet so we can pray to Allah" At what point do you think a christian would cry foul?

[Ariannda Kusanagi]

ok Klast but if she'd asked for the Blessing of Allah then she'd be thrown to the wolves, correct ? So why is God ok, but Allah is not ? Because we're a fundamentally Christian country ? Or because the country was fundamentally founded by Christians ?

I still just think it's wrong, it's like playing both sides of the coin imo, thats all I'm saying.