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Depends on the class, Xican. Sure, nowadays the classes are for pussies and it's completel bullshit, but, back when I took it when I was growing up our classes were full contact. Yea, you don't use the fucking training Kata's they teach you, but, blocks, counters, sweeps, and key strike points have been my best friends in a fight where I wasn't just able to let the guy punch me in the head a few times without me so much as trying to stop him then while he's standing there dumbfounded knock his block off with a right hook. And, yes, I know I said before self defense classes are bullshit, but, I didn't take self defense...I took an unarmed combat course.
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Xican is right in a couple ways, simulation does not equal reality.

I took some karate as a child, thought I was a hardass until the first time I got stabbed, I was lucky I had some friends because I fucking freaked out.
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Odd, I had the opposite reaction. My "When I got stabbed story" : When I was 17 I got in a fight with a guy and after I had beat him down and assumed he was done I tried to help him up. When I did he came up with a knife out of his boot and stabbed me in the eye. Well the eye socket the blade slide across the top of my eye and 3 inches into my head. Doctors said if anything had been a millimeter different I would have either been blind or dead when it hit my brain. Anywho, I jerked my head to the side which caused the blade to come out and up the side of my head. I staggered back with my hand over my eye and blood shooting everywhere. The dude that stabbed me freaked out. Me, I was just furious. Not that the guy had stabbed me but that I had attempted to exhibit a small amount of honor in the fight and not kick him while he was done (A bad habit of mine, yeah I have other stories) and this asshole had pulled out a weapon? Maybe it was shock or I dunno but I didn't even care about my eye or the blood or anything I was just pissed and I proceeded to beat this guy so bad that the bone lining structure in his face began to cave in. Not my most proud moment, as I hate losing my temper, but I will say that after it was over I picked him up, put him in the back of my friends truck and took him to the hospital with us. I thought that was somewhat admirable?

The funny part is they dopped me up on morphine and told me they had to cover the hole in my head with some skin from somewhere else on my body. One choice was from my ass and even in my loopy state I laughed and said no fucking way was I going to become a real life butt face. LOL

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I had a chick stab me in the arm with a plastic fork and the fork tines broke off in my arm...

Then there was that butterfly knife incident...

And that time with the sword...
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Heh, I got lucky with my obligatory knife encounter, 11 year olds with pen knives can't really carve each other up very badly, no matter how hard we try. I got a red line or two before someone's parent's broke us up.

As for kata: If you're learning an Okinawan or Chinese descended style, your kata are technique catalogues, and about about 50% or more of those techniques are not punchy-kicky, they're chokes and throws and limb breaking. You need someone to teach you how to turn them from air swishing to body breaking, then you have much more than you though you did. There are lots of bad kata out there now, though.

As for the striking points, from the top down:

Temple -> Concussion - > KO - > (extremely unlikely without a big stick) death.
Eyes -> Temp / Permanent Blindness
Nose -> Breathing difficulties, but I treat it as collateral damage on the way to the eyes.
Throat -> Caortid, windpipe, jugular. Fucks breathing, fucks blood flow to the brain enough to induce issues. Possible KO / extremely unlikely death.
Underarms -> Hahah, wtfux? Break the floating ribs. Screws up the torso motion. Doesn't help enough on its own, really, but it does slow the guy down.
Solar Plexus -> This is the control system for your diaphragm, the muscle that controls the contraction and expansion of your lungs. Taking it offline has spectacular results. Alternately, if you hit too high, too hard, you /can/ break off the tip of the sternum and set it cutting through the organs of the torso.
Abdomen -> Mostly pain. Getting a guy to shit himself involuntarily is always fun, though.
Groin -> Pure pain.
Knee -> Break it, or don't bother. This is harder than you think it is.


Oh, and on the original thread: Fuck Bruce WIllis. I'll be passing on this because I hate the fucker. I'll kick him in the head some day.
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Arathena wrote:Heh, I got lucky with my obligatory knife encounter, 11 year olds with pen knives can't really carve each other up very badly, no matter how hard we try. I got a red line or two before someone's parent's broke us up.

As for kata: If you're learning an Okinawan or Chinese descended style, your kata are technique catalogues, and about about 50% or more of those techniques are not punchy-kicky, they're chokes and throws and limb breaking. You need someone to teach you how to turn them from air swishing to body breaking, then you have much more than you though you did. There are lots of bad kata out there now, though.

As for the striking points, from the top down:

Temple -> Concussion - > KO - > (extremely unlikely without a big stick) death.
Eyes -> Temp / Permanent Blindness
Nose -> Breathing difficulties, but I treat it as collateral damage on the way to the eyes.
Throat -> Caortid, windpipe, jugular. Fucks breathing, fucks blood flow to the brain enough to induce issues. Possible KO / extremely unlikely death.
Underarms -> Hahah, wtfux? Break the floating ribs. Screws up the torso motion. Doesn't help enough on its own, really, but it does slow the guy down.
Solar Plexus -> This is the control system for your diaphragm, the muscle that controls the contraction and expansion of your lungs. Taking it offline has spectacular results. Alternately, if you hit too high, too hard, you /can/ break off the tip of the sternum and set it cutting through the organs of the torso.
Abdomen -> Mostly pain. Getting a guy to shit himself involuntarily is always fun, though.
Groin -> Pure pain.
Knee -> Break it, or don't bother. This is harder than you think it is.


Oh, and on the original thread: Fuck Bruce WIllis. I'll be passing on this because I hate the fucker. I'll kick him in the head some day.
Bruce Willis is the man!! :P

You just have to hit someone hard enough in the temple with a back fist so the knuckle from your middle finger is the only point that hits the temple. It's a pain in the ass to do (not that Ive done it on people, just targets) but if done correctly it can cause an aneurysm then death.

With the nose I was more thinking an upward palm thrust jamming it into somewhere it doesn't belong.

The bones around the eyes are weaker than the rest of the skull because of the shape so it's easier to get through there to get to something important.

Throat all you have to do is throw a good chop at the trachea and it's game over.

Underarms- Feel around there for the small space between the ribs...now imagine being kicked there so hard it not only breaks your ribs but it pops your arm so far out of the socket it looks like a limp noodle, and the space gives enough of a passage for your foot to continue moving further in...or if you're a complete sicko that doesn't mind getting your hands dirty you might be able to manage just thrusting your hands under there and pulling out the lungs...

Solar Plexus and Abdomen- I've accidentally cracked people's chest plates through a chest protector at sparring classes while barefoot...imagine what would happen if the person was unprotected, I was wearing boots, and I was actually trying to hurt them...

Of course, those are all just from the front. Hitting someone in the back, back of the head, or back of the neck hard enough would break vertebrae and cause some serious problems. And we can't forget the beloved kidney shot.
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Great knowledge! I can't wait until Turdy accidentally kills someone and goes to jail on a manslaughter charge for several years of ass raping. I'm sure all this knowledge will help a lot while 9 guys hold him down.

P.S. Any thought of Arathena being a girl are now gone.
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I took some karate as a child, thought I was a hardass until the first time I got stabbed, I was lucky I had some friends because I fucking freaked out.
Ah, such is the moment of truth for many self proclaimed BAMFs.

Not ragging on you, Saev, but damn I know so many guys who think they're tough shit and talk a big game until something like that happens. Then you see them for the pampered kids they really are.
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Edit: Nm, I don't want to get banned :)
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Minute wrote:Great knowledge! I can't wait until Turdy accidentally kills someone and goes to jail on a manslaughter charge for several years of ass raping. I'm sure all this knowledge will help a lot while 9 guys hold him down.

P.S. Any thought of Arathena being a girl are now gone.
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You know, the first time I had sex... I was awful.

Which was weird, because I'd seen all the porno's. I knew exactly what to do!

You can read, or be told, all the crucial striking points on the human body 100 times over, every day for your entire life and still be a fucking terrible fighter. Every time I see a 'matter-of-fact' post about striking and fighting on the internet it makes me just shake my head.
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Select wrote:Not ragging on you, Saev, but damn I know so many guys who think they're tough shit and talk a big game until something like that happens. Then you see them for the pampered kids they really are.
Like the time Xil ran away from the guys in that parking lot.

If I was him, I would have shown a flashlight on your ugly mug, just so they could see what they were asking for. If they persisted, I would have beat the shit out of them, not because they were hitting on you, but because they had low standards, and were hurting the reputations of men everywhere.

After I was done handing out some well deserved beat down, I would have added insult to injury by kicking your ass out of the car and making them pay me so they wouldn't have to fuck you.
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Xican wrote:You know, the first time I had sex... I was awful.
Never thought I'd ever hear that coming from Xican.
You can read, or be told, all the crucial striking points on the human body 100 times over, every day for your entire life and still be a fucking terrible fighter. Every time I see a 'matter-of-fact' post about striking and fighting on the internet it makes me just shake my head.
Some people just can't grasp the concept of what they should and shouldn't do in a fight no matter how many times they're told.

But have you been to a martial arts class? Like a serious martial arts class. It's the people that get cocky about fighting after taking a year or 2 of martial arts then getting their ass kicked by a guy that grew up on the streets that make the rest of the martial arts community look like just a bunch of big talkers.
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Embar Angylwrath wrote:Like the time Xil ran away from the guys in that parking lot.
Yeah, that's exactly how it happened. Glad you were there.
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Which was weird, because I'd seen all the porno's. I knew exactly what to do!
That's a really true point and easily applied to this:

I know a guy who walks around like he's some hardened soldier and a bad ass motherfucker sniper as he puts it. He's only seen movies and sparred with friends - without any formal training or fights for his life. His only sniping comes from the 360 which he is good at, but they're freaking games he's playing.
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Select wrote:
Which was weird, because I'd seen all the porno's. I knew exactly what to do!
That's a really true point and easily applied to this:

I know a guy who walks around like he's some hardened soldier and a bad ass motherfucker sniper as he puts it. He's only seen movies and sparred with friends - without any formal training or fights for his life. His only sniping comes from the 360 which he is good at, but they're freaking games he's playing.
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That guy is what is known as a dipshit. Fuck, we all played EQ for how long? And none of us are running around bragging we're 'fucking awesome swordfighters and we're gonna kick everyone's ass with our 1337 sword skillz IRL!'
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Turaylon Soulshadow wrote:Fuck, we all played EQ for how long? And none of us are running around bragging we're 'fucking awesome swordfighters and we're gonna kick everyone's ass with our 1337 sword skillz IRL!'
I played a mage. I learned very accurately that the best position in a fight is telling the thing that's waaaay tougher than you to do all the meleeing.

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Meh, if you're using the sword weapon platforms the army is developing then your FPS twitch skills help, otherwise, not that much.

After I got stabbed, I said fuck karate Expensive to learn, flashy and cool looking but not the best way to end a fight. Joint control is where its at, amazing what you can do when you put someone in a transport lock.
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Embar Angylwrath wrote:
Select wrote:Not ragging on you, Saev, but damn I know so many guys who think they're tough shit and talk a big game until something like that happens. Then you see them for the pampered kids they really are.
Like the time Xil ran away from the guys in that parking lot.

If I was him, I would have shown a flashlight on your ugly mug, just so they could see what they were asking for. If they persisted, I would have beat the shit out of them, not because they were hitting on you, but because they had low standards, and were hurting the reputations of men everywhere.

After I was done handing out some well deserved beat down, I would have added insult to injury by kicking your ass out of the car and making them pay me so they wouldn't have to fuck you.
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I played a mage. I learned very accurately that the best position in a fight is telling the thing that's waaaay tougher than you to do all the meleeing.
FD is still the best skill EQ ever taught me. :lol:
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