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I don't think anyone disagrees that if laws are broken, the individuals that break them should face the consequences.

Attempt to massacre minorities and assassinate Obama thwarted


This is a very good example of why we shouldn't be race-baiting and inciting violence in order to win a race nor painting black men as the big bad muslim terrorists destroying the fabric of our democracy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... KJ20081027
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Chuck Hagel in The New Yorker - wtf chuck

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008 ... table=true
For Hagel, almost as disturbing as Palin’s lack of experience is her willingness—in disparaging remarks about Joe Biden’s long Senate career, for example—to belittle the notion that experience is important. “There’s no question, she knows her market,” Hagel said. “She knows her audience, and she’s going right after them. And I’ll tell you why that’s dangerous. It’s dangerous because you don’t want to define down the standards in any institution, ever, in life. You want to always strive to define standards up. If you start defining standards down—‘Well, I don’t have a big education, I don’t have experience’—yes, there’s a point to be made that not all the smartest people come out of Yale or Harvard. But to intentionally define down in some kind of wild populism, that those things don’t count in a complicated, dangerous world—that’s dangerous in itself.

“There was a political party in this country called the Know-Nothings,” he continued. “And we’re getting on the fringe of that, with these one-issue voters—pro-choice or pro-life. Important issue, I know that. But, my goodness. The world is blowing up everywhere, and I just don’t think that is a responsible way to see the world, on that one issue. And, interestingly enough, that is one issue that stopped John McCain from picking one of the people he really wanted, Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge”—the Independent senator from Connecticut and the Republican former governor of Pennsylvania. (Both men are pro-choice.)
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Racist wrote:Media Bias?!

Not in Democrat land.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1
That's an op-ed.

Someone should inform Michael Malone that it isn't a journalists job to create false balance. If one person says the earth is round and the other says the earth is flat, a journalist isn't bound to give equal weight to both sides.

I'm sorry the coverage has seemed unfair to him, but that's not because of liberal media bias. It's a direct result of one campaign being by far more dishonest and disfunctional than the other.
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McCain is famous for giving barbecues at which reporters are invited to attend, and the number of flaws he's shown over his time in public office has been papered over repeatedly because the media thought he was a 'good guy'. That's why no one talked about him cheating on his wife when Edwards got caught up, that's why no one talked about Keating or Liddy when Ayers and Wright were brought up. I'm sorry his free ride is up.
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In regards to Edwards, its kind of different, because McCain didn't try to make much of a secret about it, while Edwards was playing cat-and-mouse with reporters in hotels at 2am. That's practically a guarantee the reporter will try to sniff out whoever or whatever the politician is hiding. I don't think the different treatment of Edwards and McCain had anyhting to do with the behavior of the media, it had to do with the relative behavior of the two individuals.
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Also time. McCain was fooling around on his first wife many years ago (like what, 28?), so it loses a bit of it's oompf. That he was cheating on his poor broken wife with someone old enough to be his daughter, should probably speak to his "family values" but it's not really news. They met in 1979, he divorced his wife in 1980 (he married Cindy a month after his divorce was final). Of course Cindy wasn't the only infidelity while he was married. He is an admitted womanizer.
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Harlowe wrote:Also time. McCain was fooling around on his first wife many years ago (like what, 28?), so it loses a bit of it's oompf. That he was cheating on his poor broken wife with someone old enough to be his daughter, should probably speak to his "family values" but it's not really news. They met in 1979, he divorced his wife in 1980 (he married Cindy a month after his divorce was final). Of course Cindy wasn't the only infidelity while he was married. He is an admitted womanizer.
So was FDR.....so was JFK.....so was Clinton.....yadda yadda. Values only seem to matter when it's the "other" candidate.
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No "down home family values" only matter when you are trying to sell yourself as something you are not.
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Harlowe wrote:No "down home family values" only matter when you are trying to sell yourself as something you are not.
Like FDR......JFK......and Clinton.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14982.html

Seems the Pew Research Center did a study on media bias as well.
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Racist wrote:http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14982.html

Seems the Pew Research Center did a study on media bias as well.
You linked an op-ed that does a good job debunking the Pew study.

From the op-ed, emphasis mine...
There have been moments in the general election when the one-sidedness of our site — when nearly every story was some variation on how poorly McCain was doing or how well Barack Obama was faring — has made us cringe.

As it happens, McCain’s campaign is going quite poorly and Obama’s is going well. Imposing artificial balance on this reality would be a bias of its own.
Exactly what I said yesterday. If you want to know why most coverage of McCain has been negative you need look no further than the sleazy and erratic campaign he's run, or his absurd and dangerous pick for VP.

I remember the same argument being used to explain away the failures in Iraq. If only we focused more on how many schools were painted and less on how many people were being killed the country wouldn't be decending into chaos. Counting the number of positive stories or negative stories is a useless guage for reality.
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Kulaf wrote:
Harlowe wrote:No "down home family values" only matter when you are trying to sell yourself as something you are not.
Like FDR......JFK......and Clinton.
I don't recall Clinton trying to sell himself as that. There were women coming out of the woodwork long before he won the first election.
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I'll admit I thought Obama's dollar bill comment was a poor choice of words. But given the sustained, relentless, thinly-veiled but just-short-of-racist attacks against him by the McCain campaign, I think overall he's shown remarkable composure. They portray him in every possible way of being different, leaving his audience to fill in the really nasty blanks themselves, and Obama tries to make light of it. Not the best choice of words as I said, but not disgusting or objectionable either.

The primary attributes of racism to me are fear, ignorance and hate, and there's only one campaign that has made those attributes their centerpiece. I don't personally believe that McCain is a racist, but I do believe that he's sunk so low as to play straight to those that are for personal gain, which in a way is worse. Luckily (and I've said this before) most people see right through his tactics.

And I don't know who here you're trying to convince Fallakin, or what you're tying to convince them of, but I truly pity you.
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I don't want your pity.
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He wants your underwear! He soiled his thinking about Supreme Leader Hussein Obama X. :lol:
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Harlowe wrote:
Kulaf wrote:
Harlowe wrote:No "down home family values" only matter when you are trying to sell yourself as something you are not.
Like FDR......JFK......and Clinton.
I don't recall Clinton trying to sell himself as that. There were women coming out of the woodwork long before he won the first election.
You must have missed the Gennifer Flowers defense then. He certainly wosn't selling himself as the manwhore from Arkansas.
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I don't want your pity.
An admittance that you do indeed deserve pity - you just don't want it. You could have worded that better had you rolled your eyes a little more. :(
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Much love for Charlie Crist, putting the people he represents before party.
Florida Governor Charlie Crist, to the shock and dismay of Florida Republicans, just moved to extend early voting hours.

"He just blew Florida for John McCain," one plugged in Florida Republican just told me.
At a hastily arranged news conference, Crist said the right to vote is sacred and that "many have fought and died for this right." He said he consulted a leading Democratic legislator, Rep. Dan Gelber of Miami Beach, before issuing his order, and that Gelber knew of a similar order issued by Gov. Jeb Bush in 2002 that dealt with helping voters deal with new equipment.

As to the perception that more early voting helps Democrats, Crist said: "This is not a political decision. This is a people decision.
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That's great that he did that. Dicking around with the voting hours so you could basically only vote while you're at work was stupid. I live in a vote by mail only county here in WA, so it was really convenient, although I did drive my ballots to the library strongbox. It's a done deal for us. We did our part, now we'll see.
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