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Partha wrote:More people = bigger government to service said larger population, even if you don't add in new spending. The whole idea that we're going to return to colonial style government is a dangerous fantasy.
More people = bigger government = bigger taxbase. You forgot that third part... the money comes from somewhere. If the taxbase is bigger, then no need to raise taxes, because porportionality takes care of it.

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more people = more programs = bigger governement...
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It's an interesting question whether economies of scale help reduce the size of government as the population grows, or the fact that social demands tend to grow faster than linear proportions makes governments grow proportionally bigger as the population grows.

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Neither party is going to make government any smaller. They've both been in control and neither have done jack-squat to make any meaningful changes in that department. Until a Libertarian party is viable - there is zero chance of that even being a consideration.
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Embar wrote:More people = bigger government = bigger taxbase. You forgot that third part... the money comes from somewhere. If the taxbase is bigger, then no need to raise taxes, because porportionality takes care of it.
That would be true except that fiscal lunatics cut taxes too deeply. We now have structural deficits and no choice but to restore the previous tax rates.
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Other than FDR....whos health sucked even before he was elected for his last term of office......how many presidents have died in office other than from assasination? Not a hell of a lot. And other than a skin cancer watch McCain is in great health. So Palin doesn't scare me. In fact.....one day she may very well be the first female US President.

Harry Truman didn't have a lot of experience either before he was chosen as a VP.......he was also added to the ticket for much the same reason Palin was......popularism. Harry turned out to be a pretty good president. The responsibility of the office has a way of tempering peoples views. At one point Harry almost joined the KKK but thought better of it......and he pioneered reforms that integrated the military.
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Lurker wrote:
Embar wrote:More people = bigger government = bigger taxbase. You forgot that third part... the money comes from somewhere. If the taxbase is bigger, then no need to raise taxes, because porportionality takes care of it.
That would be true except that fiscal lunatics cut taxes too deeply. We now have structural deficits and no choice but to restore the previous tax rates.
I love that buzzword.....structural deficits.......sounds so ominous.....like there is no way to stop them. Ooooooooooo.
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What other president has been as old as McCain running for office? Zero. In fact, even RR was 69 when he was running for office. McCain has had at least four bouts with skin cancer, 8 years ago a stage II invasive cancer - which has a 40% change of recurring in the next 2 years. The type of treatment he would require to battle that would most likely incapacitate him. He also takes 6 other medications for things from his kidneys and blood pressure to sleep. Also, people generally aren't exactly at the top of their mental game in their 70's.

But then again you actually think a religious-right, redneck like Palin would make a good president, so..... obviously...... you are...... batshit...... as...... well.

It's always amusing when you abuse ellipses in posts, it seems like you are having seizures while typing.
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Kulaf wrote:I love that buzzword.....structural deficits.......sounds so ominous.....like there is no way to stop them. Ooooooooooo.
"Structural Deficit" isn't a buzzword, it's a technical term. Do you know what it means? And yeah, if we follow the failed policies you support there is no way to stop them.
Kulaf wrote:Harry Truman didn't have a lot of experience either before he was chosen as a VP
Truman showed an interest and depth of knowledge. Palin has shown the exact opposite. She's running for high office and doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is? Not suprising when you consider she said she hasn't given Iraq much thought. Ditto on domestic issues.
Kulaf wrote:The responsibility of the office has a way of tempering peoples views.
That's worked out so well with Bush so lets elect someone even more fringe and corrupt that he was.

I agree with Harlowe. You..... are......batshit......crazy..........
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You have to love this one - McCain recently makes a statement regarding his maverick sidekick fighting earmarks "We won't be paying 2 million to study bear DNA" - when Palin has earmarked millions for studying seal DNA & crab mating habits. :lol:

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Seals and crabs are smaller than bears, so she's a reformer!

I do have a question. Is there anything McCain / Palin won't lie about?
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http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8942548

Depending on your choice of actuarial tables, there is between a five in six and a two in three chance of any given 72 year old man living to be 80. Of course, McCain has already exceeded the average life expectancy, past performance is no guarantee of future death, these tables do not account for being a cancer and torture survivor, these tables only account for death, not alzheimers, senility, and other extreme infirmitys of old age, yadda yadda.

I don't really give a shit about that, though. The choice of Palin has proven one of two things:

1: McCain is willing to mortgage his presidency to the Protestant right. While not an absolute indicator of infirm judgement, one is forced to wonder just how many of these he'll pack into the Administration. The last thing we need right now is a Sec of Defense that's on a 'Mission from God' to kill the brown people, a Surgeon General who thinks that STDs are Gods righteous punishment on the homoabominations, and a Secretary of the Interior that thinks he'll be raptured before the rest of us have to deal with the environment, even if McCain can reel in the worst of their excesses.

2: McCain actually believes that Palin is capable of being president if he cacks it in the next four years. This is worse - You have the same morons as option 1, let run rampant. We've had enough of that. This nation cannot afford another four years of righteous lunacy across the administration. While the Bush administration has had its excesses pulled in over time as Condi displaced Cheney's power, the damage done still has not been righted. We can't pull the bandaid off yet, kiddos.

Palin is the woman who wanted to fire the town librarian for 'not supporting her administration'. The librarian, wielder of the insidious power of free literature. Palin is a twat. Choosing her indicates that John McCain is going to be unable to function as an exectutive, due to your choice of political bondage around his neck, or infirmity of the mind. Either way, I am firmly convinced not to vote for the man.
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Arathena....I want you in public office please k.

I'm serious.
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Lurker wrote: Truman showed an interest and depth of knowledge. Palin has shown the exact opposite. She's running for high office and doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is? Not suprising when you consider she said she hasn't given Iraq much thought. Ditto on domestic issues.
It doesn't make her any more fit to be anywhere near the executive branch of anything, but Bush's foreign policy has been as directed and consistent as an epileptic on a floor covered in ball bearings, depending on which crony has the most pull today. The main Bush Doctrine appears to be 'We can do whatever we think is a good idea today, damn the consequences'. Or possibly 'We're the schoolyard bully.' Not being quite certain which given spasm the talking head was asking about isn't really a damnation of Palin. Believing that performing the political contortions to justify a ground war over territory that's been in dispute since the 5th century is possibly a commendable idea is a damnation of her, though, so.

And Harlowe... No. Here, I would have to enslave myself to Fast Uncle Eddie Rendell's political apparatchik, because I'm sure as hell not going to carry the red counties here.
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Not fit? But you can see Russia from Alaska.That makes her Putin's neighbor, in fact, he still has her lawnmower.
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Umm......Joe Biden is almost 66 himself. He's had two operations to correct brain aneurysms. And as sad as this is to say......Obama has a much greater chance of being assasinated than McCain and then you might be looking at 3rd in the national chain of command.

Ugh.....Nancy Peosi assumes the presidency. God help us all.
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Arathena wrote:Not being quite certain which given spasm the talking head was asking about isn't really a damnation of Palin.
The main tenet of the Bush Doctrine is widely recognized as the right to preemptive war even if the threat is not imminent. Gibson even clarified the year the doctrine came into being. It was clear from her response to the question (In what way, Charlie? His world view?) that she'd never heard the term. It was clear that she wasn't just confused by what part of the Bush Doctrine he was referring to. As shown in this Greenwald piece, it wasn't until Palin showed her ignorance that anyone feigned confusion about the term.
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Kulaf wrote:Umm......Joe Biden is almost 66 himself. He's had two operations to correct brain aneurysms. And as sad as this is to say......Obama has a much greater chance of being assasinated than McCain and then you might be looking at 3rd in the national chain of command.

Ugh.....Nancy Peosi assumes the presidency. God help us all.
Will all the outdoor stuff Obama does, someone would have taken a shot by now. Even with security measures in place, in Portland this would have been relatively simple to at least attempt and I was suprised someone didn't.

If I see anything happening as a result of this election, it's that the RNC will probably develop a more psychotic splinter group who thinks the way Palin does. I don't understand how a woman in any position of power can advocate for policies that essentially keep them in kitchens en mass. If Bristol Palin was any other knocked up kid, you can bet the father would have vanished by now. Watch the marraige tear apart either on national TV or right after McCain/Palin leave office.

Protest signs everywhere have things on them like: Bristol had a choice. Really? I am pretty sure she didn't at all. I'm sure if she had an abortion her mother would have thrown the first rock at her public stoning.

She is a whackjob, and I cannot allow whackjobs anywhere near my private life or my school.
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Kulaf wrote:Umm......Joe Biden is almost 66 himself. He's had two operations to correct brain aneurysms. And as sad as this is to say......Obama has a much greater chance of being assasinated than McCain and then you might be looking at 3rd in the national chain of command.

Ugh.....Nancy Peosi assumes the presidency. God help us all.
You have completely failed to comprehend the point.

Joe Biden, for all his baggage and policies I disagree with, is capable of providing a service to Obama while he is office. The choice of Biden does not particularly pander to any given democratic wing, excepting possibly labor, as Biden lies in approximately the center of the party. Should the worst happen, he is probably reasonably qualified to take over. Do also note that Peloi only assumes the presidency if Obama and Biden die simultaneously- should he be elevated to the Presidency, Biden does get to select a vice president, much as Gerald Ford was allowed to select Nelson Rockefeller. He is being offered as a policy expert in foreign policy, a role he has established well, in both his actions as a senator, and as an advisor to the Clinton administration.

Palin, however, brings nearly nothing to the table, save her experience as a mayor and a governor. While she has done an interesting job of raising taxes and slashing spending there, she has been a consistent believer in the same petty with me or against me staffing policies that have intellectually bankrupted the DoJ. For the McCain ticket, she offers the totality of: "Lookit me, I didn't abort a down syndrome child and got my daughter a shotgun wedding instead of an abortion". She offers only a political leash to one of the two major groups that have defined the complete and utter failure of sanity in policy. McCains willingness to embrace that group informs me that he is not a 'maverick', and, in fact, pretty shitty for the nation as a whole.

The single most important thing that the President of the US does is select people. He chooses his cabinet, which has absolute control of the beauracracy of Washington. He chooses judges, with the power to bind and unbind the laws of Congress. And he chooses the man that will replace him if he is lost to death or infirmity. McCain has proven, beyond any possible doubt, that his ability to pick and choose people is flawed.



And, okay, I concede the point of the Bush Doctrine, Lurker. Although, I submit that it should be called the Bully Doctrine, if you must call it a doctrine.
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Loved it!

This one is pretty fucking funny too, especially if you watched the Palin interview with Gibson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfz6QGmuvp4
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