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Post by **Ddrak** » Thu May 29, 2003 9:43 am

Laylee,

I jumped the gun in assuming AL lost agro. My post is absolutely correct - Luclin mobs regenerate in about 15-20 seconds when they lose agro. In this case AL never lost agro, probably from someone in SoH casting an MGB which hit one of the Expletus healers, followed by half of SoH then getting agro from buffs and assists on the person that cast the MGB. I'm pretty sure AL's social agro doesn't go beyond his room.

I know the mechanics of the game in this circumstance. As my apology clearly states (which you must have missed), I didn't know the mechanics of the situation which was that SoH had agro on AL as well.

:-p

Dd

Laylee · Post by **Laylee** » Thu May 29, 2003 9:49 am

Well then, you have my apology because I missed your apology

Sorry about that.

Laylee
Pawn of Prophecy

kikenn · Post by **kikenn** » Thu May 29, 2003 9:51 am

I feel like i just wasted 30 minutes of my life reading this thread.But heres a reply from me even though its pointless and will prolly get torn to shreads in some way.
Ill start with last night in ssraa.
We started at rhag 1 early in the day and worked our way thru them and up to AL.It was our first attempt at the mob and yes it took us a bit to get there and set up.Getting pressured from 45 people on the other side of the door sucks so i simply answered subtles tells briefly(im also hobben)and stopped talking to him ,pissing copntests do nothing for us .Elder styarted an ooc match and was told to stop with ooc.We engaged and lost the rampage tank at 30% or so.fromt here things fell apart and we wiped at 25%.Were happy with our effort and gave it a helluva try for 29 people with little experience on the mob,also no RGC in ur whole raid.DI SoH have rights to the mob?yes,should they have taken it at 25%?i dont think so.If you hadent been sitting on the other side of the door it wouldnt have happened but who cares its done.
As far as training-the tmax raid u speak of was NOT trained by us.I was on my scout checking him when YOUR puller pulled and he got up too soon and the guards came.I waytched that with my own eyes.We only had a couple people in the zone at the time.As far as ANYONE in my guild training people ,I only know of one instance f someone trining a miser EXP grp,and they are not in guild anymore,for that i do apologize.
As far as camp blocking,your interpretation can be anyhting u want it to be.Weve never sat in HoT "blocking"doze.We have only ever lost to doze once and as far as i know no one was looking at him at that time.The one time miser sat at zone in giuving us time limits we had to wait for pit pops to pull him cause we had been pulling the mini names while people were arriving.We killed doze as soon as we could.As far as NTOV,we have not "cleared"ntov"We did kill eashen,ary,feshlak,dgarn,kriezan,lady mir,and koi,and then wiped on vyem at 3 AM.It was our first attempt t ntov and we are very happy of doing all those in 7 hrs with 24 people or less.Nothing to argue or bitch about there.Im not even sure how that became an argument on this thread.
As far as 2/3 of us being 2 comped thats bullshit,kinda funny actualy.
We have 4 members that 2 comp on a regular basis,myself included.We are uite accomplished at it and its how we choose to play.Playing 1 char is quite boring to us as a matter of fact.If you want to trash me or the coupel of us that do so,so be it.
As far as klandicar and VC.First time we had a problem with yall,we had tashed and malod klandi,THEN yall pulled him to the coast so i pulled him back to us,the chaos had our "zerg "force of 12 people spreadout a little and we gimped it and lost to him at 10%.Yall killed hm after that and we bitched some./shrug we live and learn.The second time yall got adds on your own,NO one from expletus left DN valley and we at that time were all but 1 still non kos.He reset in front of us so we took a little while and topped off bufs and went at him,i think we used 10 people that time.We lost ,it was kinda funny, and as we ran back to the spot yall were on him already,i do believe we had one rerson kos at that time and i do believe they brought a wurm and wyvern or something,we didnt expect yall to be on his spawn spot where we kill him,you guys usualy pull him to the coast.Some people started bitching to ya that he wasnt full life ,i dont think everyone understands that when a mob looses all agro they regen to full life in about 15 seconds,so i believe he had reset and was full life.We helped rez each other ont hat one and all was fine.
90 percent of this thread is based on pure bullshit and assumptions and lies made so yall have something to trash atm,i could care less about that part of this board that i dont read nor make a habbit of posting on.The other 10% is based on us learning as we grow and some naive statements from members of expletus.That 10% we intend to work on and pay attention to.Our goals and intentions as well as our strategies have nothing to do with being asshats,blocking,camp jumping,ks ing ,training,or anything other than being honorable and becoming a "good"guild on brell.
Our main focus is doing more with less.The bitch part of us trying to do that is "bigger"guilds" prssuring us to move at their speed when they have twice the force.We spawned Al las tnight and if it takes us 2 hrs to get to him isnt that our right to do so?In times we have spawned him and "didnt" intend to kill him we have politely stepped aside for other guilds.Miser being one of them at one time.
Im sure ive left out some points here but i hate typing and have probably rambled long enough.
So commence with cut and pasting my comments and tearing them apart to make yourselves feel liek your right.I speak honestly and truthfull in everything i say,PERIOD.that is never compromised.
Kikenn Ashes
Guildleader of Expletus

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Thu May 29, 2003 9:59 am

Nothing wrong with the tag, Laylee. I was in the guild back in the days of Jadelin, Tukodo, and Lhanna among others. Just suprised it is still around.

Saphdia,

It was an apt observation. It is confirmed with your "I come here for laughs" stance while you use your compulsive reply finger that by now has gotten so old.

Talaena · Post by **Talaena** » Thu May 29, 2003 10:00 am

The people who can actually stake a claim to the "do more with less" concept know what the fuck they are doing and don't take 2 hours to prep for a raid.

Riggen · Post by **Riggen** » Thu May 29, 2003 11:29 am

we had tashed and malod klandi,THEN yall pulled him to the coast

Funny. A GM who was invis and watching the proceedings stated otherwise.

Hmmmm, who should we believe?

Braddox · Post by **Braddox** » Thu May 29, 2003 11:29 am

A couple of points here Kikenn. First of all your raid leader claimed you were doing doze the two nights in a row we asked about him. You claimed you've only wiped on doze once. Yet doze was still up after 3 days. So that means either your raid leader was lying about even attempting to do doze, or you're lying about how many times you've failed on him. Either way your guild blocked us for 2 days on a spawn you either could not kill at that time, or didn't intend to kill. Both of those actions suck.

Regarding Tormax. His guards didn't arrive at the wl zone until he was at 20% health or so. So no...I seriously doubt your claim that the puller stood up to soon. We've probably killed Tormax 30+ times so I am quite confident our puller didn't make a mistake as you claim. Also, Subtle says he saw an Expletus member training the guards toward our raid. So...given the option of believing a member of a guild that has admitted a member intentionally trained us versus the word of Subtle and a very experienced pull team guess which side I'm gonna believe. I'd still like to know who this guildmember was you supposedly disbanded.

Lanlaiely · Post by **Lanlaiely** » Thu May 29, 2003 12:07 pm

kikenn wrote:We helped rez each other ont hat one and all was fine.

This is NOT at all what happened. There was a naked druid running around pulling anything he could find to train on us while we were killing Klandi. I was leading this raid this time and I will give you my version of it.

I pulled Klandi the first time and we were doing fine until Glati and another wurm made it's way to our camp. I didn't see anyone train it with my own eyes so I can't blame anyone for that. Someone one our raid saw a druid standing on the hill watching. It was assumed by many on our raid that we were trained.

I will also say this, once about 2-3 months ago the same thing happened. We pulled Klandi and another dragon agroed during the fight. Sphere of Honor was in the zone at the time, full raid force and ready to fight. When we had the dragon add half way through the fight and wiped to it. You know what Sphere of Honor did? They asked if they could be assistance in rezzing and asked if we were gonna try again. They didn't jump on the mob as soon as they possibly could to get the kill.

That first raid when Drahkon pulled Klandi and Kikken pulled him away. You did not have a right to do that Period. I don't care if you had him debuffed and slowed. You didn't have him on agro. He was at his spawn spot. When you did that, I floated down to the scar to watch. I happened to be standing behind the GM monk named Klash. We were both watching as you wiped out. When we pulled him again and then killed him, even the GM said "Congradulations on your kill. It looks like that other guild got what they deserved!" This came from a GM who saw everything.

As for this second time. My guild was there in force before most of you even got in the zone. After knowing what you did the last time we had a run in with Klandi, I knew you would not be able to be trusted to show any form of honor. After we had Glati added to our fight and wiped to him. It didn't take us long to regroup and get ready.

I was standing on the top of the cliff waiting for my clerics to give me the go ahead. I was starting my way down to pull him when you pulled him. I sat in the scar, FD'd watching. When I saw you get Klandi down to about 20%. I told my raid to head to DN to check for Zlandi. By the time they got to the scar, you had wiped to Klandi when he was at 10%. That's when I told my raid I was going to pull him the second he reset and told them to get to Klandi asap.

I didn't have a chance to even pull him before Jook got agro after he reset and we proceeded to kill him. That's when Cindare saw that naked druid running with a trail of drakes and wurm, making a beeline for our raid. Now if you say he was running to DN to zone, then why was he running in the wrong direction, away from DN and into my raid?

As for us rezzing eachother. Bet ya can't name one person from your raid who rezzed one person from my raid. I will however say that Tryllium from my raid asked me if she should help rez your raid. I told her and the other clerics to run over and click the corpses. Tryllium got nothing but abusive tells from someone claiming that Klandi had been trained on your raid before you were ready and that's why you guys wiped. Who ever it was sending Tryllium tells told her they wouldn't accept her rez and began calling her names. I told everyone on my raid to direct any tells they were getting to me and I'd deal with them. I did not get ONE tell.

As for the people who are posting here saying that your guild is mostly made up for duel boxing people...

Amalia Kuso wrote:yes, we have alot of 2 boxers and they do better than some people that just play one character

I wonder where they'd get that idea.

SicTimMitchell · Post by **SicTimMitchell** » Thu May 29, 2003 12:07 pm

What sounds more plausible?

1. VC, Misericordia and SoH all jump raids.

OR

2. Expletus has organizational difficulties, and when they are in danger of being beaten to a MOB, they pull it before they are ready and wipe. Then they claim the other raid, that was ready all along, jumped their raid.

It's getting to be too much of a coincidence, especially considering the other guilds involved.

Daemonwind · Post by **Daemonwind** » Thu May 29, 2003 12:44 pm

I can tell you my reason for posting something when in fact i am lieing to you, deluding myself, or just have mental issues.

I'm *so* glad you're finally coming to terms with youself, Rsak.

Daemonwind · Post by **Daemonwind** » Thu May 29, 2003 12:45 pm

I can tell you my reason for posting something when in fact i am lieing to you, deluding myself, or just have mental issues.

I'm *so* glad you're finally coming to terms with youself, Rsak.

*mutter* damn no edit button, /rude relbeek =P

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Thu May 29, 2003 12:49 pm

Get over your sick fascination with me Daemon, Your sinking to attention whore levels.

kikenn · Post by **kikenn** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:06 pm

Partialy your right.We are a new guild and still growing,were learning to get to zones quicker and get set up faster.Dispell mobs are always a bitch to teach new people how to set up their buffs quickly.So the answer is YES it IS frustrating when we set up for a mob and oin the first instance start debuffing it to have someone else come along and take it.I cant control how people in the guild react to these instances,alot of peoples reactions are to ge tpissed.We WILL get more thick skinned to all of the high pressure end of this as we start taking on more difficuly mobs.What i witnessed in kael is what i saw,not sure what to add to that.I wsnt made aware of anyone training yall ever in kael,if ao i would have been able to deal with it.Also im not sure who the druid weas that trained the 2 mobs onto the klandi raid,a few of our peopel were bound at tov and ran back immediately,i do believe it was not intentional,and i personaly rezzed 3 or 4 of yall with hobben after that.Call me idealistic but i prefer to work with people instead of against them ,but its hard for me to expect peopel of my guild newer to this part of the game not to be a little frazzled at the lack of ability for us to move at our pace without being pushed into pulling before were ready.
It took 2 hrs to get set up for AL because it took us 2 rounds to get thru the crypt guardians,then had to figure out strategy and get buffs right.Loosing our rampage tank at 35% or so and having it fall apart from there is nothing close to zerg tactics,especialy with the 29 or so people we had.Keep in mind that was our first attempt ever at AL and first time for 90% of our raid ont hat mob.I guess if i keep trying to answer to all the retorts as to why we are wrong ill be here all day.Its our turn to be roasted and i guess well have to take it as it falls.We wont go by wa of GoTr,PoF,and EOD,we will learn and grow and measure our success by our standards.
If anyone ever witnesses a "real" event of training please contact me immediately.i ASSURE you we are not condoning nor will tolerate that shit.As far as blocking doze i do believe that might have been the time we had 3 emergency patches in 3 days?i really dont recall but weve only ever lost and left him alive 1 time,this is a fact.
so to quote some fuker that got his ass kicked"cant we all just get along?"
I truly do want good relation with fellow guilds and be able to work thru the progression at our pace as slow as it may be.I guess im just a little too idealistic at time /shrug
Kik

Daemonwind · Post by **Daemonwind** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:10 pm

I can't help that you're a complete fucking moron who is just *SO* easy to pick on, and so much fun to, Rsak, and hardly "fascinated" by you, little man, much as you might wish that I was. If you actually had a fucking clue and didn't consistently talk straight out of your ass and be wrong far more often that I'm right, I would at least have some shred of respect for you, instead of seeing how much of a waste of flesh you really are. Your mother should have smothered you at birth and done the world a favor.

Love the response time of 4 minutes on that post tho, you really ARE proving that you have absolutely no life outside of posting on this Rants board. Shows a lot.

You're more one of those kids that everyone hated in school, had no friends, and had to deal with bullies beating the crap out of him all the time.

Talaena · Post by **Talaena** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:26 pm

You're more one of those kids that everyone hated in school, had no friends, and had to deal with bullies beating the crap out of him all the time

Speaking from experience, Daemon?

Naakor · Post by **Naakor** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:28 pm

Omg..Expletus killed Rhag 1 and Rhag 2, they cleared Ssra!!

saphdia · Post by **saphdia** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:29 pm

Saphdia,

It was an apt observation. It is confirmed with your "I come here for laughs" stance while you use your compulsive reply finger that by now has gotten so old.

Rsak, you seem to have double standards, you haven't shut up yet lol yet you comment about me replying

. Apt or unfounded? hehe think it's more unfounded..you have not made the connection between your adjectives and the actual words.

probably from someone in SoH casting an MGB

Newp, the first 5 ppl summoned had no mgb. It was other folks' guess in the guild that upon repops in the room outside AL, one person may have gotten close then was buffed or something and it aggroed. We were already done with mgb's before they engaged.
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Kikenn nice try punk

let's dissect shall we?

We started at rhag 1 early in the day and worked our way thru them and up to AL.It was our first attempt at the mob and yes it took us a bit to get there and set up.Getting pressured from 45 people on the other side of the door sucks so i simply answered subtles tells briefly(im also hobben)and stopped talking to him ,pissing copntests do nothing for us .

Early in the day is key - this conflict didn't happen till hours later. You had been taking hours and hours in ssra thanks for confirming that. Not doggin you for doing that..I understand new content..but by the same token...it's fucked up to BLOCK ppl. When we first arrived, you did not have the force to take down the AL..but we decided to go onto other targets since they were up. Killing rhag 2 does not entitle you to tie the AL up for 3+ hours till you can get more folks in. I find it funny you talk about pissing matches, subtle simply asked you when you were engaging and all your smart pansy ass could do was to tell him that you could take all day because you had rights to it since you killed rhag 2 so basically fuck off. You were pressured? I wish our competition would give us 3 hours to prep! Here is the funny part, you would not have felt this pressure if you had responded decently to the tells and been HONEST about the time of engagement. But since you KNEW you were not engaging any time soon, you avoided the chats..and THAT is why it went to ooc with the help of elderidiot and his threats.

SoH have rights to the mob?yes,should they have taken it at 25%?i dont think so.If you hadent been sitting on the other side of the door it wouldnt have happened but who cares its done.

Just proves you didn't bother to talk to us to confirm why we took it at 25. We were summoned and in no way were we gonna just die. I specifically tell the raid we will wait till it's full health to engage...I didnt' bank on folks getting summoned. It is all moot to argue about this since we can do it from full life anyway so it's not like you loosened the mob up for us lol. We didn't "sit" on teh other side of the door. We had repops and took care of those. My guess is they got too close not meaning to. The intent wasn't to mess with you. Nice try but our raid is not gonna wipe because you handled the whole situation like puds. Did you ever think with the training issues your guild has lol that we wanted to make sure the previous room was kept cleared? We are not a stupid guild...I do not trust your guild and never will.

Our main focus is doing more with less.The bitch part of us trying to do that is "bigger"guilds" prssuring us to move at their speed when they have twice the force.We spawned Al las tnight and if it takes us 2 hrs to get to him isnt that our right to do so?In times we have spawned him and "didnt" intend to kill him we have politely stepped aside for other guilds

Your main focus should be to not play dirty. I'd give you some advice on how to do more with less but frankly I don't want you to know the secrets to it. Guilds like yours are ones we dread meeting in EQ becuase of the constant problems and headaches because you fail to be able to "play nice". You don't think we've been there before? SOH wasn't always as self sufficient..and it still struggles with competition spawns. But we have had to suck it up and learn how the game works..because the ante is upped every time you move onto a new spawn...but dicking around will just earn you shit lists..the shit lists you have made recently, beleive me, you didnt' want to be on those. All those guilds who work well together and know how the game goes. Sure we may have minor tiffs about spawns and I'm sure we will have them in the future but we work it out in the end..something you refused to own up to. You chose to hide because you felt entitled and knew you were not ready in sufficient time. You got some wakening up to do if you want to play the game without these types of incidents. See my answer above on why you were not entitled to the spawn of AL.

We also had a run in with you..oh a few months back when we were taking klandicar down. You were no where to be seen because your pansy ass and 11 others were at the DN zone...going in and out..who knows what you were doing but you just appeared out of no where for being ppl who had been prepping for 30 mins. We didnt' even see you in the zone for a while. No way several months back could you do it with 12 that were there take klandicar on..and don't even begin to say you had more..hehe we had someone zone into dn to confirm after you began to whine..we know exactly how much you had. We yanked klandicar and you began bitching like there was no tomorrow on how you've been there 30 mins prepping and deserved your shot. Good lord....I may have bought that if I really thought you had the force there and were present in the zone for a bit. But I'm onto your guild-tripping conniving games, kikenn. Playing them will get you burned.

Saphdia

Daemonwind · Post by **Daemonwind** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:48 pm

Speaking from experience, Daemon?

Why, Talaena, how original of you.

Personal experience? No. Seen it? Many times.. Last time someone decided to try to pick on me, though, I picked him up, body slammed him, and walked away. Funny, he never came near me again...

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:50 pm

Saphdia,

So you dodged the issue, by trying to throw it back at me. It is moot however, regardless of whether the observation applies to myself as well it was an apt one.

Daemon,

The more you continue the worse you make yourself look.

Talaena · Post by **Talaena** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:52 pm

Last time someone decided to try to pick on me, though, I picked him up, body slammed him, and walked away. Funny, he never came near me again...

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