Palin as Republican VEEP

[Kulaf]

Obama wasn't there during the "god damn America" sermon. He said he heard other controversial stuff, not rising to that level of rhetoric, but who hasn't from their pastor.

Not exactly sure what kind of church you go to......but my pastors talked about the Bible and God. Politics was not on the agenda.

[Harlowe]

Then you've never been to a church where you are the minority or in an impoverished area.

[Kulaf]

Then you've never been to a church where you are the minority or in an impoverished area.

I've been to a church in Arkansas.......does that count?

[Lurker]

Not exactly sure what kind of church you go to......but my pastors talked about the Bible and God. Politics was not on the agenda.

That's not the case with Black Liberation Theology. Wasn't the case with Jesus either... or so I've heard.

[Harlowe]

Not exactly sure what kind of church you go to......but my pastors talked about the Bible and God. Politics was not on the agenda.

That's not the case with Black Liberation Theology. Wasn't the case with Jesus either... or so I've heard.

So true. =)

[Klast Brell]

Which, incidentally, how is that guy not in jail?

He is not exactly a fugitive. He turned himself in in 1980

[Rsak]

Just about all of the churches walk a tight line between preaching and politics because if they are politicking they lose IRS exempt status and have to start paying taxes.

And to equate the social situation in Jerusalem in Jesus's time to the USA today is absurd.

[Select]

And to equate the social situation in Jerusalem in Jesus's time to the USA today is absurd.

You don't see the humor?

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Which, incidentally, how is that guy not in jail?

He is not exactly a fugitive. He turned himself in in 1980

They botched the charges and the trial got thrown out, iirc.

[Harlowe]

You can only speak literally to people like Rsak, that is if you choose to venture into his wars of semantic attrition in the first place. Quips are always over his head.

[Select]

I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt... again.
(Yeah right)

[Rsak]

I understood the reference, and while funny and true, it is completely irrelevant. The social-economic situation now compared to then would not see the same results.

And Harlowe I see you still haven't answered the simple questions in other thread. You bitched and moaned about clarity and you can't even step up to answer a yes or no question.

[Harlowe]

If you actually "got it" you would have known that a quip isn't something literal or relevant.

Making fun of your usual lack of clarity isn't whining. It's ridicule.

[Lurker]

And Harlowe I see you still haven't answered the simple questions in other thread. You bitched and moaned about clarity and you can't even step up to answer a yes or no question.

Heh. Your "simple question" was nothing but a deflection; an attempt to show a false equivalency through an absurdly narrow and shallow examination of the topic. Not that surprising since narrow, shallow, and off-point analysis is your stock and trade. In your mind, since both candidates use the other sides words against them then both sides are the same, even though one side is lying and the other isn't.

Look at how idiotic you are being in this thread. In your mind, if the social injustices today aren't as bad as the social injustices in Jesus's time then religious leaders should not speak out against social injustice. Now you can try to convince us that that wasn't the point you were trying to make and we're all idiots for misunderstanding you.

You are a simpleton.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Pro-tip: Both sides are lying.

[Lurker]

Pro-tip: Both sides are lying.

Right, and if you weren't busy at work or if you cared enough or if we were worth the bother, you would post some evidence of that. But of course, you won't.

Given how brazenly and often McCain / Palin have been lying the last couple weeks, about damn near everything, you saying both sides lie is just another false equivalency. We aren't talking spin or stretching the truth here, McCain / Palin have been flat out lying.

[Rsak]

Lurker,

You are incapable of answering a direct question. Instead of proving to be the intellectual superior that you claim by answering negatively and pointing out where I was mistaken you would rather deflect the conversation and blame me for the diversion. Intellectual debate occurs where both sides who may or may not agree can begin with a common understanding on the terms being discussed. Your refusal to do so simply highlights you intention is not to reach an honest answer, but rather to call people names with lies and obfuscation.

Harlowe,

If it was only ridicule then have the human decency to acknowledge it when the opposite occurs. Your refusal to answer that question only shows your pettiness.

[Lurker]

You are incapable of answering a direct question. Instead of proving to be the intellectual superior that you claim by answering negatively and pointing out where I was mistaken you would rather deflect the conversation and blame me for the diversion.

I answered your question and pointed out why you are mistaken. Just a few posts above this one I again explained why you are mistaken. I suggest you find someone to help you muddle through that thread and this one so they can point out the many times I pointed out why you are wrong.

Intellectual debate occurs where both sides who may or may not agree can begin with a common understanding on the terms being discussed.

And that's why you aren't cabaple of intellectual debate. You are so shallow and simple-minded that you usually focus on points that are irrelevant. A clever debater will try to box their opponent in by narrowing the focus, but you always head so far down the rabbit hole that nobody is willing to follow you on your trek into idiocy. I offer up this thread and the other one as perfect examples of that.

[Rsak]

No, Lurker you are lying once again. You failed to address the points that were under discussion. You used additional points that had zero relationship with what was being asked or failed to even attempt to make any logical relationship between them.

The sad thing is you have to resort to dishonest tactics to win a debate against someone who you describe as a "simpleton". You claim I am too literal and too narrow focused, but then you do the exact same thing with my comments. When I respond to your literal interpretation with similar so you can understand , then you do the opposite and claim that I am lying or that I never meant that.

So maybe I am simple and with that comes honesty, but I will wear that with pride when compared to your deceitful behavior.

Also apparently you heard wrong about Jesus : “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

[Partha]

You are so shallow and simple-minded that you usually focus on points that are irrelevant.

I'll disagree. He may be shallow and simple-minded, but that's not why he focuses on irrelevancies.

The reason, of course, is because the Republicanism that he has decided is good government and good policy has proven to be an out and out failure. President Bush at one point had overwhelming support, a Congress that was explicitly behind him and his goals, and a judiciary that his party has spent 30 years packing with judges, You got Iraq. And Katrina. And a thousand other things, both small and large, that explicitly point up that they are corrupt and fundamentally allergic to good government. And so, like the GOP, he pounds the table. He doesn't want to talk about efficient government with good stewards, he wants to talk about what a meany you are. He doesn't want to talk about how the American people routinely point out that they don't want Norquist style bathtub drownings of government, he wants to call you a liberal. He doesn't want to talk about how Palin and the new McCain will continue this disaster, he wants to question your patriotism and talk about lipstick, because when you discuss the problem, he can't deflect it onto others.

This country has been damaged by unhindered Republican policies. Again. Democrats will have to fix things. Again. And we'll get cursed out for it. Again.

Big Deal. The country needs fixing, GOP-heads. Shut up, sit down, and let the grown ups do their work.