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[Harlowe]

How would that make any sense. I want something bad to happen, so we'll better protect ourselves.

[Lurker]

Here's a transcript of the entire exchange.

The segment was a response to Obama's decision to triple the National Guard presence on the border to help the anti-drug efforts. This was not a case of Glenn Beck voicing concerns about a possible al qaeda plot. I'm posting the entire thing and not just the last part everyone is quoting, because I think the whole segment is revealing. Just wow. These are deeply disturbed people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More than 2,000 people have been murdered on the U.S.-Mexico border this year. It's one of the most dangerous places in the world. But don't worry our government has it covered. They're asking for volunteers to keep us safe. Any takers? Next.

BECK: OK. Something, a story that -- I mean, you have been talking about forever and I have been with you the whole time saying something doesn't make sense here. The most dangerous place in the world is the U.S.-Mexico border.

Now, the Obama administration is going to get serious about it. He's going to send 1,500 National Guards to the border. Let me actually give you all the details: 1,500 unarmed National Guard volunteers. We have money to study to the mating habits of Argentinean men in bars and we have to ask for volunteers to protect our border?

Let's bring in Michael Scheuer. He's the former CIA counterterrorist analyst and the author of "Marching Toward Hell." One that actually -- Michael Scheuer is the guy who I have disagreed with on many occasions, but I think he is an honorable man and he never pulls punches. He'll tell you exactly what he believes.

And, Michael, I appreciate that. I thought of you today. I thought - - when I read this story -- Michael Scheuer has to be hemorrhaging, just having some sort of a brain aneurysm. How does this make sense, Michael?

MICHAEL SCHEUER, FORMER CIA COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: It doesn't, Glenn. It is -- you know, I am so old, I remember going to school and being taught that a sovereign country controls its borders.

BECK: Wow.

SCHEUER: . not for racist reasons, but for reasons of national security. And this is perfectly consistent with Republicans and Democrats.

BECK: It is.

SCHEUER: They send our soldiers into harm's way and they're targets, they're not killers.

BECK: Yes.

SCHEUER: It's an extraordinary waste of human lives, but, of course, the Democrats specialize in that.

BECK: Well, I have to tell you -- and, Michael, the reason why I really didn't like you the first time is because you start speaking out right after 9/11. I don't know, maybe it was a year after or something, and you said, they're not serious about getting Obama -- I mean, Osama.

And I was still I was still in a place where I believed the lie, and I listened to you and I thought, how dare him say that? That's absolutely -- but then I listened to you, and I believe you.

We are doing the same thing. A lot of people, they watch and they just think this show is anti-Obama. It's not. I was saying the same thing about George W. Bush, about the war, and George W. Bush about the -- about the border. It makes no sense!

SCHEUER: Glenn, I -- our government elite does not care about the future of American society or our country.

BECK: So, OK, that's .

SCHEUER: It's just as simple as that.

BECK: That's a wild charge to make. So, tell me what you think they are doing? What is their end game then? If they don't -- I mean, to say the president on either side or anybody in Congress doesn't care is quite a charge.

SCHEUER: Well, the component of that is they care more about their offices than they care about American -- about the American people. Listen, what the Democrats want is what Mrs. Clinton laid out when she first went to Mexico. She blamed the violence in Mexico on the availability of guns in the United States.

What this is that they're going to eventually move against the Second Amendment in the United States, which is the bugbear of all the Democrats. They want guns only in the hands of the government. They will sell to the American people the idea that if we control guns more, Mexico will be safer, and there will be less violence coming into the United States.

BECK: Michael, let me have a conversation that I should have with you off the air. Let me have a frank conversation.

I think we are headed for extraordinarily dangerous times. I think we are I think we're headed -- we're headed toward civil unrest. God knows what?

Please, America -- please, keep things under control and look at Martin Luther King and Gandhi as an example.

Michael, you say something like that, and that's dangerous stuff to say.

SCHEUER: Well, I think the founders, Glenn, went out of their way in the Constitution and the Federalist Papers to make sure minorities had a voice in our country and were protected from the oppression of the majority.

It's a very odd situation, but now the minority -- those folks who go to Harvard and Yale and the prestigious universities who think they know everything and who want the government to control everything -- are in power. The majority of Americans who are just interested in security and getting by are being dictated to, interfered with, and generally neglected in terms of security by the minority that rules this government. It turns the founders on their heads.

BECK: So what -- so these -- I can't imagine who is going to volunteer for this National Guard. I mean, I know a lot of people who would volunteer to go watch the border if we were serious. But to send National Guard to protect us from violent drug cartels and not arm them and not pay them -- I mean, I don't even understand that. I don't even understand .

SCHEUER: And ignoring illegal immigrants, Glenn. We're in the absurd position right now of having the minutemen, who are private citizens and armed, if the National Guard volunteers get in trouble, private citizens are going to have to come to the aid of the military. It's an absurd situation.

BECK: And let me tell you something, if something happens down there, I mean, if I'm a national guardsman and I was protecting myself, do you really think -- I mean, I wouldn't trust that I wouldn't be thrown into solitary confinement for two months. These people will sell anybody out for their agenda. They don't care.

SCHEUER: Glenn, the Republicans and the Democrats have both prosecuted U.S. citizens on the southwest border for defending their families and homes against illegal -- violent illegal immigrants -- migrants.

BECK: Michael .

SCHEUER: It is absolutely .

BECK: I tell you, you have been -- you were in the White House under Clinton. You were in the White House under Bush. You are you -- if anybody looks look up Michael Scheuer. He has -- he's got quite a history. He has been around the block a few times. Do you really .

SCHEUER: Well, I haven't been in the White House, Glenn, but I was in the -- I was in the CIA at a senior level.

BECK: Well, yes, you weren't part of -- yes, I didn't mean to say you were working at the White House.

SCHEUER: No.

BECK: You've been -- you've been in the White House with the president. You have been in the room with the president and you have been making, you know, suggestions. Do I have that right?

SCHEUER: I have been with very senior people, yes, sir.

BECK: Yes, sir. OK. So you have seen this. Do you really, honestly believe that we have come to a place to where those very senior people in the highest offices of the land, Congress and the White House, really will not do the right thing in the end, that they won't see the error of their ways?

SCHEUER: No, sir, they will not. Not -- the only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it's going to take a grassroots, bottom-up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans.

Only -- it's an absurd situation. Again, only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary.

BECK: Which is why I was thinking this weekend if I were him, that would be the last thing I would do right now.

SCHEUER: Absolutely.

BECK: Michael Scheuer, as always, sir, thank you very much.

SCHEUER: Thank you kindly, Glenn.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Not to be a "crazy wingnut" but where in that dialog do either of them say that they want America to be attacked ("something bad to happen") as Harlowe has said?

@Lurker: If you watched the show at all you would know that he went over the Al Qaeda/Mexico border ordeal ad nauseum. This was clearly an extension of that, as the National Guard Volunteers (unarmed, mind you) to the border directly relates to what hes been talking about (and yes, hes covered people smuggling, drug/weapons trafficking and abductions in the area as well).

[Harlowe]

BECK: Yes, sir. OK. So you have seen this. Do you really, honestly believe that we have come to a place to where those very senior people in the highest offices of the land, Congress and the White House, really will not do the right thing in the end, that they won't see the error of their ways?

SCHEUER: No, sir, they will not. Not -- the only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it's going to take a grassroots, bottom-up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans.

Only -- it's an absurd situation. Again, only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

BECK: Yes, sir. OK. So you have seen this. Do you really, honestly believe that we have come to a place to where those very senior people in the highest offices of the land, Congress and the White House, really will not do the right thing in the end, that they won't see the error of their ways?

SCHEUER: No, sir, they will not. Not -- the only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it's going to take a grassroots, bottom-up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans.

Only -- it's an absurd situation. Again, only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary.

Now highlight where Beck says he wants an attack on the US or "something bad to happen".

I'm sure you'll notice that no where in that transcript does he say anything like that, in fact he knew Scheuer would likely say something like this and earlier said that this is something he should talk about with him off of the air.

Additionally: Scheuer nowhere said that he wanted this to happen. He was simply saying that it is the only way that we will get politicians in Washington to actually care about the security of our Southern border.

[Partha]

Show me where he tells the guy who wants an attack on the US that he's a fucking idiot and a traitor.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Show me where Scheuer says he wants an attack on America.

[Lurker]

If you say something is our "only chance", we can only assume you think it would be a good thing. Whether he also thinks it's ironic doesn't change that.

And why do you think that the National Guard is unarmed? Because Beck told you so? That isn't the case.

If you watch Glenn Beck at all, I feel sorry for you. If you watch Glenn Beck and feel enlightened or feel a need to defend his message, there really is no denying your wingnut status.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

You know what they say about assuming, Lurker.

President Barack Obama could send up to 1,500 National Guard volunteers to the U.S.-Mexico border in an effort to reinforce an existing counter-drug strategy. Critics have already bashed the plan as they say the levels of violence along the border do not require of unarmed-unpaid volunteers, but of U.S. agencies involved in National Security.

http://www.examiner.com/x-9270-LA-Borde ... uth-border

I have a challenge for you, Partha and HarLOL. Read Glenn Beck's book Common Sense: The Case of an Out-of-Control Government and tell me, honestly, that there is not a single thing in there you agree with. I think you would actually be shocked that there are things you'd agree with. Pics or it didn't happen, as they say.

[Lurker]

As much as I respect Aurelia Fierros, whoever she is, she's just not correct.

The National Guard units that were part of Operation Jump Start were armed. The National Guard units that are currently assisting CBP are armed. And any additional National Guard units sent now would also be armed. The Defense Department isn't going to send ground troops to a potential combat zone without properly protecting them.

[Lurker]

Here's a short video showing armed National Guard at the border




And a more comprehensive look at the work the Guard is doing.
Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3

Glenn Beck is a raging asshole for suggesting they are going to be sent unarmed, and he's psychotic for suggesting they should be afraid to protect themselves out of fear of being put in solitary confinement by politicians pushing an agenda.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

I have a challenge for you, Partha and HarLOL. Read Glenn Beck's book Common Sense: The Case of an Out-of-Control Government and tell me, honestly, that there is not a single thing in there you agree with. I think you would actually be shocked that there are things you'd agree with. Pics or it didn't happen, as they say.

I highly suggest everyone else give it a read as well, as I think theres stuff in there that everyone can relate to.

As for Lurker, Partha and HarLOL... I'd just be amazed to see them put their crazy hatred for the man aside.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

@Lurker something I haven't been able to find with some digging (I did find Operation Jump Start from last year). Were all the troops deployed at the border via Operation Jump Start volunteers or just some?

(( I must be blind... http://www.calguard.ca.gov/publicaffair ... start.aspx Apparently there were 1300 just counted via this California National Guard site... possibly more? ))

[Lurker]

As for Lurker, Partha and HarLOL... I'd just be amazed to see them put their crazy hatred for the man aside.

In this single segment Beck lied about the National Guard being sent to the border unarmed, was dumb enough to confuse "volunteer" with "unpaid", engaged in his usual fear mongering about the government, and allowed a guest to suggest a devestating attack by Bin Laden was needed to save our country.

But it's not Glenn Beck that's crazy, it's our dislike of him.

[Ddrak]

Beck's a talking head. The only thing he really gives a shit about is the ratings.

Besides, his guest was wrong. Osama probably couldn't pull off an attack through the Mexican border because it would be fucking stupid. There's much easier ways into the US than that. Take 9/11 for example - just get your men to come in the way everyone else does.

Here's a hint: if you're sending armed troops somewhere, the serious terrorists will go a different way.

Dd

[Harlowe]

As for Lurker, Partha and HarLOL... I'd just be amazed to see them put their crazy hatred for the man aside.

In this single segment Beck lied about the National Guard being sent to the border unarmed, was dumb enough to confuse "volunteer" with "unpaid", engaged in his usual fear mongering about the government, and allowed a guest to suggest a devestating attack by Bin Laden was needed to save our country.

But it's not Glenn Beck that's crazy, it's our dislike of him.

Crazy hatred? Why the theatrics? Just because I think he's a dangerous clown that incites fringe nuts, doesn't mean it's CRAAAAAZEEE hatred. I'd find him a hilarious chucklehead if he wasn't feeding hatred and fear.

Why do you Glenn-Beck nuts always view the world black & white and dramatic? It's like chicken little-ville.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

I just think you guys don't give the guy a fair chance, just like I didn't give Rachel Maddow a fair chance a couple months ago.

view the world black & white and dramatic?

That's a nice backhanded way to call someone racist.

[Lurker]

I just think you guys don't give the guy a fair chance, just like I didn't give Rachel Maddow a fair chance a couple months ago.

Rachel Maddow makes every effort to stick to the facts so she can inform her viewers. Beck makes every effort to distort or outright invent his own facts so he can exploit fear and ignorance.

Look at the misinformation and fear mongering in just that one segment. Hell, you thought we were sending unarmed and unpaid Guardsmen to the border to fight drug cartels. It's not mentally healthy to wade through hours of bullshit and hate and fear waiting for him to say something sensible.

That's a nice backhanded way to call someone racist.

Harlowe means you have no nuance and that you see things as all one way or all the other way. Interesting how defensive you are about your racist tendencies though.

[Harlowe]

I wasn't calling you a racist at all ....umm, "black in white & dramatic" as in everything is one way or the other to the extreme. Everything is fear-mongering and apocalyptic with that man and his followers. The sky is perpetually following and everyone is out to get us. I keep watching to see if there is anything more than theatrics and I just don't see it. He's not as hateful as Rush Limbaugh, I'll give him that. I can't even listen to that venom spewing piece of lard anymore than I can Ann Coulter. Glenn is just as dangerous though with regard to inciting the fringe element.

So, what Lurker said. He got what I meant. I thought it was pretty clear, I don't know how you could see that as a racist statement.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Excuse me for never hearing something like that before and taking the "black and white and dramatic" as a backhanded way as saying something is racist.

Ok Lurker, don't wade through hours of " bullshit and hate and fear" and instead go read his book Common Sense.

Harlowe, I can't even listen to Rush anymore... it just makes me want to hang myself.