Suppress the vote

[Lurker]

damning them with weak praise and snarks?

?

[Klast Brell]

So if I go to a college republicans voter registration drive and fill out a card with a fake name how are the college republicans supposed to know. If I get 10 of my commie liberal friends to come with me and we all fill out forms with fake names can we get the offices of the college republicans raided and all the registrations they collected challenged?
Sure it's a crime to fill out a fraudulent voter registration form. But if I fill out a form with my name as Joe Smith and the address of the local Pizza Hut how are they supposed to know that I'm filling out a fake form? They can't. I have no intention of showing up at the polls and trying to vote with that registration. Neither do my ten liberal commie friends. You can't catch us. So now me and my commie friends are going to demand all the college republican supplied voter registrations be challenged.

I can't stop a group of conservatives from doing that to a liberal group either.

[Tarfang_Trubasher]

A voter registration booth doesn't ask for picture ID when you sign up?

-TF

[Lurker]

A voter registration booth doesn't ask for picture ID when you sign up?

No. Voter verification is done when you vote, not when you register. Picture ID is only one of the items that can be used to verify identity in most states. For same day registration/voting states it would be done at the same time.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

A voter registration booth doesn't ask for picture ID when you sign up?

No. Voter verification is done when you vote, not when you register. Picture ID is only one of the items that can be used to verify identity in most states. For same day registration/voting states it would be done at the same time.

When my wife registered to vote online (we live in WA state), it verified her name/driver's license number/age/address in their database during the registration process. She's dyslexic, so the site kept telling her that the information didn't match until she finally typed it in correctly. Dunno what WA does if you register in person, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't ask for a driver's license.

[Kulaf]

A voter registration booth doesn't ask for picture ID when you sign up?

No. Voter verification is done when you vote, not when you register. Picture ID is only one of the items that can be used to verify identity in most states. For same day registration/voting states it would be done at the same time.

When my wife registered to vote online (we live in WA state), it verified her name/driver's license number/age/address in their database during the registration process. She's dyslexic, so the site kept telling her that the information didn't match until she finally typed it in correctly. Dunno what WA does if you register in person, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't ask for a driver's license.

Do you live in a vote by mail county?

[Lurker]

Freecare,
That's similar to how it works in California when you officially register with the state. If you walk up to a registration booth on the street run by non-state groups, they don't verify anything. You write your name and address and sign and that's it. Verification is done later.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

That makes sense - thanks Lurker for clarifying

[Freecare Spiritwise]

Do you live in a vote by mail county?

I think it asked me during the online registration if I wanted to vote by mail, and I didn't check the box. But as Lurker pointed out, I was on the official WA state site.

My thoughts on scrutinizing voter registration applications is that it can only be a good thing. So even if McCain is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, then it's still the right thing. This election is "hot" as my CEO would say. We should be scrutinizing voter registration.

[Harlowe]

The Voter Fraud Myth

http://www.newsweek.com/id/138537

In person Voter-Fraud Myth

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/re ... committee/

Voter fraud is extremely rare. At the federal level, records show that only 24 people were convicted of or pleaded guilty to illegal voting between 2002 and 2005, an average of eight people a year. The available state-level evidence of voter fraud, culled from interviews, reviews of newspaper coverage and court proceedings, while not definitive, is also negligible.

Most voter fraud allegations turn out to be something other than fraud. A review of news stories over a recent two year period found that reports of voter fraud were most often limited to local races and individual acts and fell into three categories: unsubstantiated or false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error.

There are numerous legal sources with regard to Voter Fraud Myth.

[Kulaf]

Yeah I remember reading about that myth in IL in the Nixon v. Kennedy election. Rumor has it that Daley delivered a whole ton of "myth" and pushed Kennedy over. Of course stuff like that just can't happen......just a myth.

[Lurker]

Can you provide some evidence that the alleged fraud in 1960 would have been prevented by voter ID laws or vote caging schemes?

I'd also add that the GOP aren't trying to enact draconian laws or engage in caging schemes, both of which result in voter suppression, because of something that might have happened in 1960. They are claiming rampant and current voter fraud, and that simply is not the case.

[Harlowe]

In this day and age, it is a myth. You need to bring up something from nearly 50 years ago to make a point? Rampant modern day voter fraud is a myth.

[Klast Brell]

Yeah I remember reading about that myth in IL in the Nixon v. Kennedy election. Rumor has it that Daley delivered a whole ton of "myth" and pushed Kennedy over. Of course stuff like that just can't happen......just a myth.

To deliver a ton of myth votes you need to first obtain hundreds of people willing to travel poll to poll voting over and over again. Those hundreds of people have to all keep the secret of what they did. Can you imagine how many weeks vefore election day you would have to begin organizing that conspiracy? How many people would you have to ask to join you for each one that volunteers to risk arrest for voter fraud. Could you ensure that all the people who declined would still participate in your conspiracy by not reporting you long before election day.

You can submit all the bogus registrations you like. It may even be a crime to submit a bogus registration. But a bogus registration alone is not enough to influence an election. You still need someone to cast a vote. As Harlowe said. 8 bogus votes in the entire country is not going to swing an election.

[Kulaf]

Can you provide some evidence that the alleged fraud in 1960 would have been prevented by voter ID laws or vote caging schemes?

I'd also add that the GOP aren't trying to enact draconian laws or engage in caging schemes, both of which result in voter suppression, because of something that might have happened in 1960. They are claiming rampant and current voter fraud, and that simply is not the case.

Provide evidence of dead people voting in Chicago? Do I really NEED to?

[Lurker]

How about this. Instead of trying to distract and bring up something from 1960, respond to what is happening now.

I'd also add that the GOP aren't trying to enact draconian laws or engage in caging schemes, both of which result in voter suppression, because of something that might have happened in 1960. They are claiming rampant and current voter fraud, and that simply is not the case.

Respond to that.

[Klast Brell]

Provide evidence of dead people voting in Chicago? Do I really NEED to?

I would like to see actual evidence of this. It's a line I have heard so many times it's cliche. But i have never seen the claims supported by any actual details. it's always anecdotal.

[Klast Brell]

Oh and before you go off on the wrong trail.

Just because a voter registration exists for a dead person does not mean that a vote was cast at the poll. Dead people are on the voter rolls all over the country. proof that someone used that to cast an illegal vote is almost never there.

[Kulaf]

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Legalissues/lm23.cfm

There ya go.

[Lurker]

Nice, you only had to go back 26 years that time.

Did you pay attention to the recommendations from the Grand Jury? Those recommendations would have stopped that fraud without disenfranchising valid voters. GOP vote supression tactics, such as Voter ID laws and voter caging, would not have stopped most of the fraud that occurred in 1982.

So again, please point out some actual modern day voter fraud that justifies the GOP tactics. The GOP is claiming that current fraud is rampant when the exact opposite is true.