Lurker wrote:Thanks for that and credit where credit is due, but I think it's more accurate to say you were lied to by the McCain campaign.Embar wrote:Yeah. I was wrong.

Lurker wrote:Thanks for that and credit where credit is due, but I think it's more accurate to say you were lied to by the McCain campaign.Embar wrote:Yeah. I was wrong.
Bullshit. I posted his full quote and he used the metaphor the exact same way everyone uses the metaphor. He in no way called Palin a pig. Any outrage over his statement is fake and the McCain campaign is lying when they say it was sexist and directed at Palin.Rsak wrote:The metaphor has been used numbers of times, but the way he used it was a poor choice that led to this whole debacle.
You're still waiting, and frankly I already know there's no changing your seemingly retarded mind.Lurker wrote:Rsak wrote:Hey Fallakin, where's that list of policy differences between Bush and McCain? We're still waiting.
I don't deny the McCain campaign took advantage of it, but it was a misstep of Obama that he had to clarify. It is no different from any other political campaign.The crowd rose and applauded, some of later telling reporters that they thought Obama had been alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."
"Keep in mind, technically, had I meant it this way, [Palin] would be the lipstick. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig, just following the logic of this illogical situation," Obama said.
I posted both.Rsak wrote:You posted his rebuttal, not the original.
Everyone knows the McCain sexism outrage is fake and manufactured. I'm not sure how you were able to get in the heads of the crowd and know why they reacted, but it seems to me that the crowd would react when Obama eviscerates McCains fake change rhetoric. Had nothing to do with Palin.Rsak wrote:And your claims that the outrage is fake is complete and utter lies. Were it such a twisting of words then Obama would not have received such a reaction by his own crowd. There were some there who thought it was a slam at Palin, just as some republicans would honestly feel outrage for it.
I didn't have to get into their head. Read the damn quote I provided for you where it says they thought it was a slam on Palin.I'm not sure how you were able to get in the heads of the crowd and know why they reacted, but it seems to me that the crowd would react when Obama eviscerates McCains fake change rhetoric. Had nothing to do with Palin.
Unlike you they haven't posted anything in the past week that would make it seem as though they care that much.
Never said anything about the timing. The simple fact of the matter is Lurker is lying when he says that the outrage or celebration over the remark is false. Some people from both sides saw the remark as targeting Palin. I am not one of them, but I can't let Lurker get away with even more lies.Who gives a fuck about the timing of the statement. It's a metaphor that is constantly used in politics by all of them and this walking around on eggshells with regard to Palin just because she has a fucking vagina is ridiculous.
You harping on it begs to differ.Rsak wrote:I never said it was a valid issue, only that it was a mistake by Obama. I never claimed there was malice in it and certainly acknowledge the media is running with it.
HA!!Rsak wrote:The simple fact of the matter is Lurker is lying when he says that the outrage or celebration over the remark is false. Some people from both sides saw the remark as targeting Palin. I am not one of them, but I can't let Lurker get away with even more lies.
I completely agree. There are a lot of people, I think, that are growing sick of the smear. We're in a "bad time" and the issues need to garner more focus.Harlowe wrote:The bottom line is that THIS LIPSTICK SHIT ISN'T A FUCKING ISSUE. It's a diversion from the real issues and problems this country faces.
I don't think Obama said this as a slight to Palin, let me just put that here. The timing is a factor, however. He did pause quite a long time. The people did cheer which applied deeper meaning to his statement. They "got the joke." Being full aware of the "lipsticked pig" phrase, it didn't have the same impact on me. It does seem, however, a different phrase could have/should have been used. After all, Palin did make a lipstick joke, that people remember. This is more of a preparation thing. As for Palin, I don't think she has negatively reacted to the media, outside of her little jabs. She at least gives the appearance of letting it roll off her back. She's faced more politically/personally damning press than being likened to a pig with lipstick.Harlowe wrote:Who gives a fuck about the timing of the statement. It's a metaphor that is constantly used in politics by all of them and this walking around on eggshells with regard to Palin just because she has a fucking vagina is ridiculous...Hell if she [Palin] can't handle the damn press she can't handle being VP let alone close to being commander-in-chief.
No you fool, I am saying that some people from both the Democratic side and the Republican side saw the remark as a negative attack against Palin. The McCain campaign grabbed the issue and ran with it because Obama made the mistake of saying something that could be interpreted in more then one way. It is no different from the Obama campaign claiming Palin was for the Bridge to Nowhere first and then against it later because both are non issues, only sound bites.So you are saying that even on careful reflection the McCain campaign sees remarks that were clearly not aimed at Palin as being a sexist attack on Palin?