Palin as Republican VEEP

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Grats McCain, I'm ignoring every sense of political intuition I have in favor of the MILF factor. Or GILF factor. Or VPILF factor.

I hate my generation

[Arkaron]

No, this election is still Obama v. Obama. Always has been.

You mean that it's his election to lose? Sure. I am just uncomfortable having a cheerleader a stroke away from the Presidency.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Arky, I think the same way. However, Obama has essentially the same experience as Palin, and if elected, he'll be in charge. At elast if McCain is elected, Palin will have some time to learn the ropes. Are you more comfortable with Obama in the Oval Office or McCain?

[Ddrak]

Are you more comfortable with Obama in the Oval Office or McCain?

If you ignore their policies, Obama is a far better pick than McCain. I really don't think there's much argument there. The question is whether you dislike Obama's policies enough to suffer McCain as President.

Dd

[Chants Evensong]

I've held off a day before I posted about this VP pick. Here are my thoughts:

1. First of all, drop the MILF, VPILF talk and all of that shit. The "F" stands for something and we all know what it is and it is supremely sexist and condescending. That being said, I am male, she is hot, and I have the gallant response when I see her.

2. The pick grabbed headlines away from Obama's convention, leaving him with something less than a wet cat bounce.

3. She does in fact steal votes away from Obama because of his Hillary disrespect. How many? A couple of million. Not even close to 18 million. But in the close races we have had recently, 2 million is a lot.

4. She has Obama concerned. Obama's team walked into it by dissing her early. They then praised her. They were caught off guard and they are confused as to the proper response.

5. The MSM and the left-o-sphere of the internet suck. They really do. I see people over there openly admitting they never heard of her before her selection. Look, folks, we righties may be a bunch of banjo-strummin', cousin pokin morons, but even we called Palin as a likely VP choice months ago. You may want to tap into what we brown skin fearing, vagina freaked out morons have to say.

6. Palin had better bust her ass with something brilliant in the next three weeks or she will be made into a female Dan Quayle. The speech yesterday was good. But millions of people think that Obama is ready; only McCain has said Palin is ready.

If she passes the next three weeks, she will be a brilliant pick. If she does not, then she, and McCain, are toast.

[Ddrak]

3. She does in fact steal votes away from Obama because of his Hillary disrespect. How many? A couple of million. Not even close to 18 million. But in the close races we have had recently, 2 million is a lot.

Won't happen. Seriously - it never does. People don't vote for the other party because their favored talking head lost the primary. The polls always come back saying a percent or two, but when it actually comes to the ballot box, it just doesn't go down. If you truly believe that's what's going to happen then McCain's screwed because Ron Paul's contingent is all gonna vote Democrat, right?

She was picked because she evens the race up. McCain's attacks on Obama's inexperience and celebrity were almost completely ineffective so he went with someone that had similar strengths to Obama to mute his advantages. Now she just has to perform in that role, be a celebrity, make a big deal of being an outsider and show that both those qualities actually make a difference in a VP over the same ones in a President.

Dd

[Arkaron]

I suppose it mutes Obama somewhat, but for me it calls into question McCain's judgment to run countless attack adds about your opponent's qualities and pick the same ones in your VP. Also, Women may not like her as much after all, and if the stuff about her not supporting the use of birth control even between married couples gets play (if it's true) there goes your soccer moms.

[Partha]

Look, folks, we righties may be a bunch of banjo-strummin', cousin pokin morons, but even we called Palin as a likely VP choice months ago. You may want to tap into what we brown skin fearing, vagina freaked out morons have to say.

Been there, done that, won the war. Pick your own fucking cotton.

[Kulaf]

Too bad this pick not only knocks out his own attack lines on Obama, but it's also the one pick guaranteed to make Hillary and Bill campaign twice as hard for Obama.

Why? If Obama loses, Hilary would be seen as the saviour of the party in 2012. She has far more to gain by seeing Obama lose than win. If he wins she never sees the WH as president.

Actually, that presumes that Biden follows up 2 terms with Obama and runs for President a third time, which doesn't seem likely.

The reason they have to campaign twice as hard is because McCain, win or lose, is a 1 election guy, even if he won't admit it in public. If he wins 2008, the default nominee would be Palin. In contrast, if Obama wins, he's quite likely to switch VP's for his second term...

Who was the last president that switched VP's between elections that wasn't for a health or scandle reason?

[Partha]

FDR. Did it twice.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

I'm ok with his selection, except that it's clearly pandering. Obama didn't pick a woman VP for the right reasons and McCain chose a woman VP for the wrong reasons. I guess history gets made either way, but I'd rather see it get made for the right reasons.

All I heard was "You want change? Here .. psst .. here's uh, a woman ... see? we want change too. We're also out looking hard for more token minorities, to uh, bring about our message of uh, change. Yep, we want (what's that word? ah yes) change!"

Obama FTW.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Brainwashed by liberal media, ftl.

[Arkaron]

God that is such a stupid fucking troll. Anything else but "liberal media" please? It's not even economically viable to run a so-called "liberal media" in a country that's mostly just to the right of center.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Do you watch any news station at all?

If theres not a liberal bias to the media *cough* they're all tonsils deep on Obama's cock */cough* then I'm a monkey's uncle (and as far as I know theres no half-ricans in my family).

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If theres not a liberal bias to the media *cough* they're all tonsils deep on Obama's cock */cough* then I'm a monkey's uncle (and as far as I know theres no half-ricans in my family).

I hate my generation: Round 2.

[Kulaf]

FDR. Did it twice.

So......60+ years ago......prior to the modern day convention process.

[Kulaf]

God that is such a stupid fucking troll. Anything else but "liberal media" please? It's not even economically viable to run a so-called "liberal media" in a country that's mostly just to the right of center.

Yup.....ranks right up there with "vast right wing conspiracy".

[Ddrak]

God that is such a stupid fucking troll. Anything else but "liberal media" please? It's not even economically viable to run a so-called "liberal media" in a country that's mostly just to the right of center.

Yup.....ranks right up there with "vast right wing conspiracy".

Exactly.

The "liberal media" thing is just tin-foil hattery. Like Ark says, it makes no economic sense to pander to only one side, hence you have Fox catering to the right wing and others leaning left of center. Overall, the MSM will be (by Smith's invisible hand) a reflection of the views of the nation itself. If you don't believe that, then you have to ask yourself whether you're really conservative...

Dd

[Freecare Spiritwise]

Brainwashed by liberal media, ftl.

Hah, I was told by a black conservative co-worker on my recent business trip: "It's ok that you as a white man like Obama, you don't know any better."

So I've been finding these sorts of statements amusing. I'm married w/kids, good job, big house, etc., so to conservatives that know me, I'm either a) a betrayer of our way of life or b) supremely misguided/brainwashed.

I was hoping to get a better argument about my opinion of McCain's choice of Palin being pandering pure and simple. Even before he made his choice and the pundits started chiming in, I was predicting to my friends that he'd pick a woman or a minority. It's been pretty obvious that he had to if he wants to win. Most politicians are panderers (they would probably call themselves pragmatic), and I would even paint Hillary with that same brush. But Obama comes off (at least to me) as genuine. I think he's changing some of the rules of the game. Heh, time will tell. At the very least, he's stirring the pot, and that can't be a bad thing.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Everytime Obama speaks I can't help but notice all the glaring points where hes lying through his teeth, or wants to give "tax breaks" to the middle class only to tax them even more.