Palin as Republican VEEP

[Xtizu]

Repeated cocaine use damages, or even kills, the very brain cells that trigger the "high" users experience, scientists have found

cocaine kills brain cells

the real question is are those brain cells the ones that control idealogical policy? or do they just control the happyness cap of the brain?

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Good thing he doesn't need his "pleasure" brain cells to run the country you racist shithead.

Oh, just because I don't like the guy makes me a racist now?

Does you not liking the Republican ticket make you a sexist too?

[Lurker]

Oh, just because I don't like the guy makes me a racist now?

No, comments like this make you a racist.

If theres not a liberal bias to the media *cough* they're all tonsils deep on Obama's cock */cough* then I'm a monkey's uncle (and as far as I know theres no half-ricans in my family).

As for the shithead part, well... that's every other post you make.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

No. Just because I don't buy into everything Obama says, because everything I've heard him say has been clear pandering and lies, doesn't make me a racist.

He's a very well educated black man running for president in a major campaign, good for America and its about damn time... but the campaign ideals he's pushing are exactly what the democratic lead Congress want, and exactly what they've been pushing for the past 2 years.

Now, who has had a worse approval rating than Bush?

That's right, the Democratic congress that's currently doing absolutely nothing useful to help the financial strain most Americans are going through.

So no thanks, I don't like Obama as a presidential candidate... Like I've said before I don't want to be anally raped everytime I get paid with more taxes to support things I don't believe in in the first place. Obama is the wrong man for the job and I firmly believe that McCain is not more of the same.

As for me being a "shithead": I prefer the term "asshole", thanks.

[Rsak]

How can you follow the fine example of Clinton without "pleasure" brain cells?

[Harlowe]

But you buy into the same tired crap this country has been spoon fed for 8 years. You know the definition of insanity right...

[Freecare Spiritwise]

..doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (a quote of Einstein?)

Seems to be if you're voting for McCain, then you either a) see positive results over the last 8 years or b) you think as tough as we have it, things could always get much worse. So if you see nothing wrong, then there's no insanity because doing the same thing over and over when it works is considered good leadership. The point of contention seems to whether you believe the policies of the last 8 years have been a success. I disagree, and think we're deeply into the realm of insanity.

And if you're voting for Obama then you're not pleased with the results of the last 8 years and you want to see radical change, even if you understand that he's an unknown quantity and it's more of a risk. I would agree that McCain is the "safer" choice, but I'm willing to take that risk. In the corporate world, if an employee isn't performing to expectations then you replace their ass, and their buddies too. You bring in new ideas, new blood. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But as a mentor used to tell me: "You have to take chances to make advances".

I'm excited about this election. The way I look at it is that after 8 years of Bush, we as a country have nowhere to go but up. Even McCain would be a huge improvement over a man with the IQ of a parking meter. I want to see a fight where the best man wins, but I'm just not seeing the GOP as being anywhere near the top of their game. McCain as a public speaker isn't even in the same league as Obama, which is a shame. Hopefully he'll give a decent speech tonight. Truthfully if his speech is a radical departure from the policies of "dubbyah" then I'd consider switching my vote. What I'm expecting is more lip service, but I'll reserve judgement until after the man speaks.

[Tarfang_Trubasher]

I know this has nothing to do with Palin, but it's politic related...

..I'm impressed at how easily Congress gets off. Does "Dubya" suck, sure. Is it all entirely his fault, no.

Course, the VP is going to be present for the Senate meetings...

-TF

[Xtizu]

Course, the VP is going to be present for the Senate meetings...
-TF

at least she'll catch up on her sleep if mccain wins.

[Harlowe]

I couldn't agree with you more Freecare, but as long as someone with a religious agenda like Palin is on the ticket, someone that seriously called the Iraq war a "task from God", it really won't matter what he says. Why? Because realistically this man is 72 and has repeatedly battled melanoma. If I could count on him FOR SURE lasting an entire term, I might consider what he has to say, but as long as that religious mouthpiece is part of the package with a very old man....noooo way.

You really want more of that bullshit? Do you really want someone to send us to war on tasks from God? When she said that, I just shook my head and said "are you fucking kidding me"? People that think like that are arrogant and DANGEROUS. Isn't that exactly how terrorists feel? They are on missions from God? This kind of attitude in the global arena is nothing, but dangerous & irresponsible.

Having this kind of mentality is dangerous not only for us here at home and our personal liberties, but because it makes the rest of the world think we're war-mongering egotistical power-hungry idiots and it's dangerous because it makes us insular self-loving bastards. The United States has been the only superpower for so long that Americans have really forgotten what it's like to not dominate the world, in terms of political, economic, and military power.

At some point, though, things will change and we will not longer be able to perpetuate this illusion of "isolation and independence" that we currently insulate ourselves with. And then we'll be forced to realize that the rest of the world really does think we're stupid and arrogant, on a political level (Bush was an even bigger joke in France and Argentina than he is here in the US), and that they do not have a lot of sympathy for us, since all we've done is push and shove our weight around for the last 50 or so years.

[Rsak]

I'm excited about this election. The way I look at it is that after 8 years of Bush, we as a country have nowhere to go but up. Even McCain would be a huge improvement over a man with the IQ of a parking meter.

Its comments like this that piss me off to listen to any political debate in this country. Because simply put it is not political debate, it is name calling. Saying "The other guys suck, and we are better, we are change" is specious arguments. And in all honesty it comes from both sides.

Listening to the complete fabrications when you hear people describe Iraq as an implosion of a country and how only force is ever used for diplomacy are just absurd. To hear this from college educated "political experts" is just too much.

I can and will debate and disagree a decision, policy, or platform of the President or nominees but I don't sink to the level of showing disrespect for the other person. They served their party, office, and even the American people in the process and shouldn't be called apes, sex addicts, robots, or parking meters when you discuss what you thought they did wrong.

I am not specifically pointing at anyone, but when someone is labeled an idiot for disagreeing with you, the level our collective intelligence falls. That mentality has certainly been evident in this board (not necessarily this thread) and in the world in general.

[Partha]

If Iraq's not a failed country, then how come Maliki can't wander outside the Green Zone without looking like McCain visiting an Indiana market?

If Iraq's not a failed country, then how come they still don't have consistent electrical power? How come entire sections of cities are walled off?

No, Bush did NOT serve the 'American people' when he took us into Iraq. He served a very small group of radicals. When he did so, he also demonstrated his complete lack of intellectual curiosity and the supposed advanced scholarship that a Yale graduate should have.

'What's this Sunni and Shia stuff? I thought they were all Muslim!'. Indeed.

So, in conclusion, fuck your lame assed attempts at catapulting the propaganda. That is all.

[Rsak]

Thank you for proving the point Partha.

You show up with more lies and specious arguments.

Inconsistent electrical power and sectioned off cities were there before we arrived.

The agenda of regime change started under Clinton's presidency between the executive and the legislative branch, but you it is much easier to say "ZOMG Bush Lied", "XOMG Bush is stupid", and "Bush is just serving cronies" rather then actually dealing with the situation or talking about the issues. You ignore the evidence and choose to believe your myopic view that Bush is all evil rather looking at what he actually said and did before the international invasion in Iraq occurred.

[Partha]

It's sad, watching you try to rewrite history.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

Its comments like this that piss me off to listen to any political debate in this country. Because simply put it is not political debate, it is name calling. Saying "The other guys suck, and we are better, we are change" is specious arguments. And in all honesty it comes from both sides.

I disagree. I think insulting each other is out of bounds, but I have no problem with insulting the candidates, the media, etc. Bush is not a smart man, and in 8 years I've never once heard him called a genius. And to be fair I thought Bill Clinton was a good president except for the fact that he couldn't keep his dick in his pants. And my main worry about voting for Obama is that he's so intelligent he just might outsmart himself. Our politicians are flawed human beings just like the rest of us, and to me selecting a leader involves looking at the person as a package, warts and all.

And if you want to see some good name calling, you should get plenty of that tonight from "your guy". I have no problem with that at all, other than it won't win him the election. "My guy" (mostly) took the high road in his speech. Obama's focus was mainly on why he should be elected, not why McCain shouldn't be elected. See, it all comes out in the wash.

And I agree with you Harlowe about the religious right. They've been trying to tell us what to drink, how to act and who to fuck for far too long, and that's one of the areas where I think the GOP took a wrong turn. That and the politics of fear, i.e. if you're not with us 100% the terrorists win. In that, the terrorists have already won in a sense because that mentality is stifling honest discussion. So yeah, Palin is kinda scary, but I also suspect she's more moderate than she comes across as since I think she's been pandering to the extreme right (just like Obama had Hillary pandering to the extreme left) so tonight McCain won't have to get his hands as dirty. But yeah, "President Sarah the Barracuda" with her finger on the button is a tad bit unsettling. I'm not as certain as you are that it would ever come to that. McCain is one tough bastard.

[Harlowe]

I agree, but it's more than just pandering to them - it's promoting that agenda and firing up the ignorant. It's more than just talk. I think if we keep considering them precious little actors and actresses we do ourselves a disservice and give up our rights an inch at a time.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

Agreed. We've given up too much ground already. Time to take some of it back

[Embar Angylwrath]

If Iraq's not a failed country, then how come Maliki can't wander outside the Green Zone without looking like McCain visiting an Indiana market?

If Iraq's not a failed country, then how come they still don't have consistent electrical power? How come entire sections of cities are walled off?

No, Bush did NOT serve the 'American people' when he took us into Iraq. He served a very small group of radicals. When he did so, he also demonstrated his complete lack of intellectual curiosity and the supposed advanced scholarship that a Yale graduate should have.

'What's this Sunni and Shia stuff? I thought they were all Muslim!'. Indeed.

So, in conclusion, fuck your lame assed attempts at catapulting the propaganda. That is all.

The Annointed One begs to differ...

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04 ... st-dreams/

[Kulaf]

Yeah it's already started just as I predicted it would. He won't get the troops out any earlier than any timetable put forth prior to Bush leaving......and that timetable is set by the readiness of Iraqi forces.

Next will come his retreat on national healthcare as it gets mired in Congress.

Mind you he still has to win of course.

[Ddrak]

I don't see Obama saying Iraq is particularly successful in that interview. He's saying the surge did appear to help things out (I'm still not sure if that was the surge or just coincidence), but not that Iraq is a happy place.

I'm still very much of the opinion that going into Iraq in 2003 was the wrong move and was made for all the wrong reasons with willful disregard of any advice to the contrary. I'm amused by McCain's flip-flopping on whether he thought he was for or against the Iraq war back then though.

Honestly, if McCain/Palin are not "more of the same" then I'd like to see some evidence of it because everything I've seen so far, from ardent support of Bush policies to revisionist history to personal attacks and the blatant fearmongering shows that the GOP is going to continue with very much "more of the same" and has absolutely no intention of changing their ways from the last 8 years.

Dd