Well, who didn't see this one coming...?

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:45 pm

Keep trolling, Valoria, it suits you. You'll slip up soon enough.

But if you like, if there's anything to investigate in Democratic areas (like false voter registrations) by all means do so.

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:57 pm

Ohio and Florida had the most problems reported (as I said before). It makes sense to investigate them first. Suggesting other states just makes you look idiotic.

Dd

davidking · Post by **davidking** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:21 pm

Why would investigating all the other states be idiotic? you don't find problems or solutions looking at single states. It would have to be an entire overview or nothing. What happened with all the money and time spent of Florida do? It sure didn't fix the sore pussies for this election that's for sure.

What's gonna happen in the next election? are we just gonna keep going over one state at a time saying we gotta fix that one state every single time? You are not gonna find any solutions this way. Either fix the whole thing, or forget about it. Piece meal will only show that things were done to make one or the other party happy. Nothing good can come of this but false prosecutin and persecution.

You losers just want to hold on to that tiny thread of hope that Lurch might of had any chance at all, or all you want to do is besmirch the president that the country wants.

One thing is for sure, when Clinton won the Presidency, I didn't continue to deny his place as president or try to put him down. I accepted him as the executive body of this nation. All that you liberals want to do is divide a nation that at a time of crises needs to be whole.

Stop being such whiners and accept what the nation wants and stop trying to burn the fires of seperatists.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:28 pm

hmm. denying what the nation wants..

I recall a 60% approval rating for the President at the time Republicans tried to throw him out of office.

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:30 pm

You just don't listen do you? You're so hell bent on proving that people want to change the winner that reason completely escapes you. If you keep repeating your mantra, maybe it will come true? Nah...

It is logical to start any investigation into voting problems where the highest concentration of issues was. If you can't grasp that simple statement, just step out of the gene pool.

Dd

davidking · Post by **davidking** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:30 pm

and yes.. he was impeached..

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:32 pm

He's just a troll, Ddrak.

If he stays true to Valoria form, not giving him the attention he wants will make him act out more.

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:33 pm

I know. I'm just trying to drive it into Valoria mode for shits and grins.

Dd

davidking · Post by **davidking** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:35 pm

Ddrak, No proof (Real Proof)of anything wrong has surfaced.. there were closer races in other states which didn't make a diff to the demos because the electoral points didn't help the demos to give a chance to win. This is just a witch hunt by the liberals because they lost so badly and can't take being thrown out like the garbage that they spew.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:35 pm

I don't know. He seems to be playing it smart this time. The IP shows the same location as Valoria, so he knows I'm watching him. But he's not tipping his hand that he's Valoria, so he's not being burninated yet.

davidking · Post by **davidking** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:39 pm

Double Post..

Any Real Auditor will tell you.. the biggest problem is never where you see the biggest problem.

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:40 pm

DK,

You realize you require an investigation to get the proof. Claiming "no proof" before an investigation tells you, well, nothing.

You've still not addressed the point that the most complaints came from OH and FL so they are the logical places to start. Still repeating your good old "vast left wing conspiracy" mantra.

No idea where the "lose badly" rhetoric is coming from. It was one of the closest races in US history. Lose badly would be something like Reagan's 2nd term.

Dd

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:42 pm

DK,

Double Post! Any Real Auditor will also start where the problem appears to be and not where it doesn't appear to be.

Dd

davidking · Post by **davidking** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:44 pm

You mean all those free reporters and the investigators the demos have out there hasn't found anything? You mean it takes the weight of the US Government to find anything out? You mean the Democrats on the Election Committe in Ohio isn't screaming bloody murder that they were hamstrung? Oh my goodness. I'm sure the free press will dig out something for you.

davidking · Post by **davidking** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:47 pm

Auditor will purposely avoid looking at the big problems before they look at everything else so not cloud thier judgements.

Like I said.. big problems are easily fixed, it's the little issues that cause the big problems that are hard to fix and locate.

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:48 pm

It's not the press's job, nor a particular party's job to enforce electoral integrity. They can kick up a stink and demand action but when it comes down to it, the responsibility is the government as a whole.

Dd

davidking · Post by **davidking** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:48 pm

Pfft.. yeah right..

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:25 am

No Relbeek i clearly stated that you have failed to prove that illegal disenfrancisement occured, no that suppresion occured.

For there to be disenfrancisement the right to vote has to be deprived from some individuals. Just because there is a long line does not deprive anyone of the right to vote. You cited yourself how the polls stayed open after the closing time for those already in line. That is clear evidence where it was not deprived, yet your want to claim that it supports the claim that there was disenfrancisement.

The evidence in question is not evidence of a conspiracy to disenfrancise Democratic voters, but rather evidence that supports the allegation of a conspiracy. There is still no evidence to support that this conspiracy actually existed.

And i have never questioned the validity of investigating these allegations. What i do questions is the political grandstanding used when the vote results are not in question when the votes are being recorded. The Republicians in Congress probably share my discuss of the inappropriateness of this decleration more then the actual substance of it. Funny that only 1 Democratic senator could be found to support the grandstanding. You would think that if this was such a clear case there would be some uniformity among the democrats.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:48 am

Rsak, you don't clearly state anything, ever.

And why would I need to prove illegal disenfranchiesement occured in the 2004 election? I didn't allege it did. I alleged there have been CLAIMS of such, no more no less.

Illegal disenfranchisement happened in the 2000 election, and the only question regarding that was whether or not it was deliberate.

And yes, there is evidence to suggest a conspiracy in both 2000 and 2004 - namely the secretaries of state in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004, the states with the greatest controversies, both managed the Bush campaign in their respective states. That's not proof, but it certainly is evidence. Further, SOS Harris' actions in Florida in 2000 clearly suggest a patern of deliberate action to disenfranchise voters.

Political grandstanding? You just don't uderstand.

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:15 am

Illegal disenfranchisement happened in the 2000 election, and the only question regarding that was whether or not it was deliberate.

You have failed to prove this. Once again I as for you to do the only fair thing and provide the evidence.

Stop making baseless accusations and provide the fucking proof!