Shooting at Elementary School (est 27 dead)

[Massterloo]

I thought semi-automatic was a buzz word for - " file this piece, and wa la, Machine gun."

[Kulaf]

A Bushmaster what? How many people go hunting with a Winchester? Remington? Etc. etc. Bushmaster is a manufacturer.

No one it arguing that gun ownership/usage is an all inclusive right.......other than you. But you are trying to draw lines of distinction in strange places like caliber and manufacturer which is rediculous.

What do they manufacture? Have you ever looked?

What guns do they make that are suitable for HOME DEFENSE or HUNTING? I'll give you three guesses, the first two don't count.

Winchester/Remington are not the same thing as a company that specializes in military style knockoff rifles. But way to keep missing that point.

Well yeah......I have. I work with 3 guys who are hunters and one of them owns a Bushmaster 308:

http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/hunting.asp

Sounds to me that your objection to the guns they make is one of aethetics. You don't like what the gun looks like so it should be banned?

[Kulaf]

And @Kulaf, I don't think "semi-automatic" is a buzzword at all. It's an excellent dividing line if you choose to put it there - it is a good means of reducing the fire rate.

The problem is that most people uneducated about guns see "semi-automatic" and either just see AUTOMATIC and think machine gun, or think it is a select fire machine gun. If you don't believe me, just go read some of the comments around the web about the shooting and see.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Ever hunted Partha?

There's a pretty good advantage to having a "military-style" hunting rifle. The main advantage over bolt or lever action rifles is that a second round can be fired faster without having to reaquire the target. Its great if you can drop a deer at 200 yards with one shot. But if you don't, it's much more humane to get htem with a quick second shot rather than chase them down for a mile or two while they slowly bleed out.

[Partha]

Ever hunted Partha?

There's a pretty good advantage to having a "military-style" hunting rifle. The main advantage over bolt or lever action rifles is that a second round can be fired faster without having to reaquire the target. Its great if you can drop a deer at 200 yards with one shot. But if you don't, it's much more humane to get htem with a quick second shot rather than chase them down for a mile or two while they slowly bleed out.

Ever actually fired a rifle? A quick second shot is much less likely to hit it's target than a first, carefully aimed one, especially since your target will be moving after the first round's impact.

Spray and pray is not a way to hunt, and spray and pray weapons are not for hunting, they're for morons with penis issues. And I'm sorry, but morons with penis issues don't have a leg to stand on with military style knockoffs.

[Partha]

A Bushmaster what? How many people go hunting with a Winchester? Remington? Etc. etc. Bushmaster is a manufacturer.

No one it arguing that gun ownership/usage is an all inclusive right.......other than you. But you are trying to draw lines of distinction in strange places like caliber and manufacturer which is rediculous.

What do they manufacture? Have you ever looked?

What guns do they make that are suitable for HOME DEFENSE or HUNTING? I'll give you three guesses, the first two don't count.

Winchester/Remington are not the same thing as a company that specializes in military style knockoff rifles. But way to keep missing that point.

Well yeah......I have. I work with 3 guys who are hunters and one of them owns a Bushmaster 308:

http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/hunting.asp

Sounds to me that your objection to the guns they make is one of aethetics. You don't like what the gun looks like so it should be banned?

Got news for you. Your friend isn't much of a hunter. Notice how all but one of those rifles carries a 5 round magazine?

Yeah, your buddy needs those extra 15 rounds to take down whatever target he's shooting at. Sure. I'll buy that for a dollar.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Ever actually fired a rifle? A quick second shot is much less likely to hit it's target than a first, carefully aimed one, especially since your target will be moving after the first round's impact.

Spray and pray is not a way to hunt, and spray and pray weapons are not for hunting, they're for morons with penis issues. And I'm sorry, but morons with penis issues don't have a leg to stand on with military style knockoffs.

Yes, I've fired rifles, including magazined, bolt action and lever. Shotguns, revolvers, semi-auto handguns as well. I don't hunt, but I can tell you, at least for me, I'm more accurate round per round on the military style rifles than I am with bolt actions. Some of the hunters I know say the same. I'm more accurate with revolvers than handguns with a clip (pretty sure its the recoil).

I tend to lose accuracy (long distance) on the military type rifles after the third round, if I fire in rapid succession. Two quick successive taps though usually hit my target.

What's your experience with firearms? Other than xBox?

[Kulaf]

A Bushmaster what? How many people go hunting with a Winchester? Remington? Etc. etc. Bushmaster is a manufacturer.

No one it arguing that gun ownership/usage is an all inclusive right.......other than you. But you are trying to draw lines of distinction in strange places like caliber and manufacturer which is rediculous.

What do they manufacture? Have you ever looked?

What guns do they make that are suitable for HOME DEFENSE or HUNTING? I'll give you three guesses, the first two don't count.

Winchester/Remington are not the same thing as a company that specializes in military style knockoff rifles. But way to keep missing that point.

Well yeah......I have. I work with 3 guys who are hunters and one of them owns a Bushmaster 308:

http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/hunting.asp

Sounds to me that your objection to the guns they make is one of aethetics. You don't like what the gun looks like so it should be banned?

Got news for you. Your friend isn't much of a hunter. Notice how all but one of those rifles carries a 5 round magazine?

Yeah, your buddy needs those extra 15 rounds to take down whatever target he's shooting at. Sure. I'll buy that for a dollar.

Yeah one of the 308's has a 20 round mag......and the other has a 5 round mag. So? I don't know specifically what model he has, just that it was a Bushmaster 308. What exactly is your objection again?

[Ddrak]

I gotta agree with Partha. I'm way more accurate with a bolt action .243 than a semi-auto .223. Unless you've got some crazy recoil suppression, the second shot from a double-tap on a semi-auto is going to be pretty loose.

Never understood hunting though.

Dd

[Kulaf]

I fail to see how the loading mechanism of the weapon makes it more or less accurate. I can certainly understand differences in ammo or barrel length making an impact however.

[Ddrak]

I fail to see how the loading mechanism of the weapon makes it more or less accurate. I can certainly understand differences in ammo or barrel length making an impact however.

The second shot of a double tap with a semi-auto weapon is affected by the recoil. That's all I'm saying.

Dd

[Massterloo]

To anyone that actually uses a bushmaster, uzi, M16 to hunt. Cool, whatever. Not everyone can bring down game with one shot. Need 2,5, 47? Fire as many times as you need to whack a deer. (I hate deer, so do my cars, and insurance company).

But whatever you do...dont say shooting a deer 2 or 3 times with a semi auto is more "humane". Humane would be not shooting at all. You, or they just dont want to follow the animal till it drops. Just admit it.....dont say its humane. Thats just silly.

[Partha]

What's your experience with firearms? Other than xBox?

.22 LR as a kid. .40, .41 handguns, 12 gauge, .243 and .308 rifles. In the time and place where I was raised and by the people I hung around with who had guns, semiauto 'hunters' were universally ridiculed as the type of bad shots you didn't need on a hunt. It's one thing to be calling coyotes and getting part of a pack, but for hunting big game, do it right the first fucking time or don't do it at all. You don't need 20 or 30 rounds to hunt Bambi.

[Kulaf]

This acedemic discussion of hunting is really awesome. So exactly how did you hunt? Tree stand? Personally we did deer drives. A few of us would enter the woods and tromp around trying to scare up a deer and run it toward the shooters. The goal was to get deer to eat for our friends there and to bag one for us to take back for sausage. We didn't have the luxury of worrying about how the deer died.....just that it did and put food on the table. The more deer meat we had hanging on the tree, the less money they had to take from the farm to feed their family.

The DNR in WI allows hunts because it IS more humane than a herd of deer starving to death because of over population. The worst time I had hunting other than driving through a tornado blow down area was when my uncle only managed to get off 1 shot with his bolt action .306 and he and I had to track a blood trail for what felt like two miles throught he woods and heavy snow. Yeah it sucked and I would have loved if he could have managed to get off a 2nd shot but that is kind of hard when your flesh wants to stick to the bolt because it is like 5 degrees.

So I don't know what kind of weather they have in Rockford.......or CA......or whereever, where I am from bolt actions are usually hand me downs from daddy, and semi-auto's are what people buy when they can afford them.

[Ddrak]

Driving around at night in the back of a truck with a spotlight culling kangaroos.

Dd

[Kulaf]

Shining is illegal where I come from.

[Embar Angylwrath]

There's also the type of game you're hunting. Ask anyone who hunts wild pig what type of rifle they'd use Partha, bolt action or magazined. Then ask them why.

[Ddrak]

Shining is illegal where I come from.

On your own property?

Dd

[Partha]

There's also the type of game you're hunting. Ask anyone who hunts wild pig what type of rifle they'd use Partha, bolt action or magazined. Then ask them why.

I've known of one particularly crazy hunter who hunted wild pigs with a .357 revolver.

At any rate, we've gone far afield of the original point, which is that the majority of these guns aren't used for hunting anything other than targets on a range.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

The main point should be that the purpose of the 2nd amendment was to have an armed citizenry to defend themselves of a tyrannical government, in the advent that the Government were to get to the point that it was becoming more tyrannical and no longer representing the wishes of the populace.

Does that mean people should be able to own the same guns that the military uses? Yes, if they can afford them.

Does that mean anyone should be able to own a gun? No, clearly criminals and those with mental health issues should be restricted.