Really?

[Embar Angylwrath]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

So Obama decides to not deport illegal immigrants unless they are criminals. Blind to the fact that by crossing the borders ILLEGALLY... they are criminals. This is a pure pandering for the Hispanic vote, and I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass. The Republicans will have a field day with this. Hell, any opposing party would. Napolitano claiming that this is somehow beneficial to the security of the US????? That's a stretch. So... by allowing people into this country whom we know nothing about (other than they don't have a criminal record... see 9/11 perpetrators), we are somehow safer as a nation because we deport thugs and pot runners.

This is what you voted in people. You can vote them out too.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

This is what you voted in people. You can vote them out too.

Some of them, anyway...

[Jarochai Alabaster]

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/georgi ... rs-fields/

[Ddrak]

So... by allowing people into this country whom we know nothing about (other than they don't have a criminal record... see 9/11 perpetrators), we are somehow safer as a nation because we deport thugs and pot runners.

If you're resource constrained on the policing and judicial side then absolutely. You should focus on deporting the higher risk ones than the lower risk ones. If you have judges and cops laying around idle then you should deport everyone.

This is the same theory as Jack Welsh firing the bottom 10% of his workforce every year and bringing in new unknown hires to improve his staff.

Dd

[Harlowe]

I think it's a great idea to focus energies on the criminals instead of a half-assed wasted energy going after everyone. It's just a common sense way of utilizing your available resources.

I don't get why you never look at what he does rationally. This seems pretty no-brainer to me. Unless we have unlimited resources, I don't know why we weren't doing this sooner.

[Lurker]

I'm just shocked that Embar parroted another wingnut attack against Obama without taking the time to think. Absolutely shocked.

[Harlowe]

It does have that "is this the change you voted for???"" vibe.

[Embar Angylwrath]

I think it's a great idea to focus energies on the criminals instead of a half-assed wasted energy going after everyone. It's just a common sense way of utilizing your available resources.

I don't get why you never look at what he does rationally. This seems pretty no-brainer to me. Unless we have unlimited resources, I don't know why we weren't doing this sooner.

here's the underlying issue Harlowe... there is now no penalty whatsover for crossing the border illegally. The last deterent to illegal immigration just vanished. The policy will encourage illegal immigration. The policy will eliminate any oversight other than to check to see if the illegal immigrant has a criminal record. How is that supposed to make the nation safer?

I think states should weigh in. They may not be able to deport illegal immigrants, but they can sure as hell pack them up, bus them to DC and dump them there.

Edit: Also... if by ignoring the law and allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the country our country will be safer, why didn;t Obama do that when he first got into office? Why now... right at the beginning of the presidential campaign season? Obama is looking for despewrately needed support to get re-elected. He'll have to win back a lot of the independents, and some are gone forever now. He needs to replace the independent vote with another block of voters. I don't see this as making the country safer at all. I see this as a willingness to ignore the will of Congress in order to garner the hispanic vote.

[Harlowe]

The policy will eliminate any oversight other than to check to see if the illegal immigrant has a criminal record. How is that supposed to make the nation safer?

More resources focused on criminals should mean less criminals. We don't have the resources to go after everyone, so a strong effort being focused towards the more dangerous ones, would be in our best interest imo.

why didn;t Obama do that when he first got into office?

He's had a pretty full plate. How many things can someone just do when they "first get into office", it seems like everything according to you, even when there are three wars and a financial crisis going on. It also would be short-sighted of him, if he were going to do something with immigration, to not do it prior to 2012 if possible.

Pandering is universal.The independents he never had, he never will regardless and this situation is highly unlikey to change anyone's vote towards the negative that was positive up to now. It's just a practical way to allocate limited resources.

Given our limited resources, If you don't see the benefit of weeding out more criminals over doing a half assed job over all keeping out illegals, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Lurker]

For Embar and anyone else who didn't read the item originally linked (and based on Embars comments he didn't bother reading his own article... again)

The Obama administration said Thursday it would postpone the deportation of illegal immigrants without criminal records and allow them to apply for work permits as it reviews over 300,000 cases.

The case review would only affect those undocumented immigrants already in line for deportation proceedings, and not the vast majority of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

[Embar Angylwrath]

For Embar and anyone else who didn't read the item originally linked (and based on Embars comments he didn't bother reading his own article... again)

The Obama administration said Thursday it would postpone the deportation of illegal immigrants without criminal records and allow them to apply for work permits as it reviews over 300,000 cases.

The case review would only affect those undocumented immigrants already in line for deportation proceedings, and not the vast majority of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

Think that through for a moment Lurker. Do you really think that this policy is only for those in deporation proceedings? Makes no sense if they limit it to only that pool. It's obvious that the policy is aimed at all illegal immigrants, not just those that are in deportation proceedins now. What, the admin will make exceptions for those in deportation proceedings now, but deport other non-criminal illegals later. C'mon. It will affect ALL illegal immigrants that are evaluated, including those in deportation proceedings now (which are the priority for the administratio since they are close to deportation), and all immigrants who are subsequently evaluated, but aren't on the radar screen now.

The message is: cross into the US illegally, and as long as you don't show up with a criminal record, you'll eventually get a work permit.

And you know what? I'm ok with that, as long as it's legal. But it's not. This is clearly against the will of Congress, and it'll be only a couple of weeks before someone files suit against the policy. And they have a pretty good grounds to do so. It's one thing to prioritze cases because of limited resources, the supposed reason the admin is giving for this. But they are following it up with the carrot of a work permit later. What agency is now going to have to find the resources to process all those work permit requests that come because of this? What about those limited resources?

[Ddrak]

Wait a second...

1. The Obama Administration has deported the MOST illegal immigrants of any US administration. Saying they are soft on immigration is just stupid and ignorant.
2. The deportation policy appears to be being changed from a first-come-first-deported one to one that removes the obviously bad illegals first before wasting time figuring out what to do with the less worrisome ones (ie gets people out of the country FASTER).
3. This seems a bad ploy for the Hispanic vote when the rights activists seem pretty pissed about it.

Seriously, you have 11 million illegal immigrants. Surely it makes some sense to go after the bad ones first...

The whole nonsense about "come in illegally and get a work permit" is just a strawman. I don't see anywhere that says anything like that. As far as I can tell, applying for a work permit is still as much of a fucking nightmare as it ever was (trust me from someone that's been through it and very, very glad to no longer be part of it) and already being in the country is more of a negative than a positive.

Dd

[Embar Angylwrath]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/ ... 4317.shtml

As a matter of law, they are eligible for a work authorization card, basically a taxpayer ID card, but that decision is made separately and on a case-by-case basis," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discussed the change publicly.

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/US_T ... 68203.html

The Obama administration said Thursday it will allow many illegal immigrants facing deportation the chance to stay in this country and apply for a work permit, while focusing on removing from the U.S. convicted criminals and those who might be a national security or public safety threat.

Again I ask you... why reward someone who, by the very fact they crossed into the country illegally makes them a criminal, with the chance of receiving a work permit? And again I ask you, didn't the US just shift the whole "backlog" issue from deportation proceedings to work permit processing?

[Kulaf]

Wait a second...

1. The Obama Administration has deported the MOST illegal immigrants of any US administration. Saying they are soft on immigration is just stupid and ignorant.
2. The deportation policy appears to be being changed from a first-come-first-deported one to one that removes the obviously bad illegals first before wasting time figuring out what to do with the less worrisome ones (ie gets people out of the country FASTER).
3. This seems a bad ploy for the Hispanic vote when the rights activists seem pretty pissed about it.

Seriously, you have 11 million illegal immigrants. Surely it makes some sense to go after the bad ones first...

The whole nonsense about "come in illegally and get a work permit" is just a strawman. I don't see anywhere that says anything like that. As far as I can tell, applying for a work permit is still as much of a fucking nightmare as it ever was (trust me from someone that's been through it and very, very glad to no longer be part of it) and already being in the country is more of a negative than a positive.

Dd

If one assumes the rate of illegal imigration is keeping pace with the rate at which they are being deported (if it wasn't then the number of illegals in the country would not continue to grow)......then one could also say that the Obama administration has allowed the MOST illegals to enter the US than any other US administration. I fail to see how speaking of numbers rather than percentages proves.......anything. Also the ability the administration has to deport more illegals was obtained from funding approved during the previous administration. I do agree with the notion of going after the most serious offenders first.

Congress needs to address the issue and not continue to point fingers at the administration to do something when they will not approve the funding to actually do it.

[Ddrak]

Congress needs to address the issue and not continue to point fingers at the administration to do something when they will not approve the funding to actually do it.

Definitely agree with this.

Dd