Cinavia

[Ddrak]

So I rip a few of my Blurays and suddenly I find one that cuts out the audio after 20 mins of streaming to my PS3.

FU Sony! There's a reason I don't want to use my physical media and it's about 2 years old...

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[Freecare Spiritwise]

At one time I had about 1,000 store bought movies not even counting all the TV shows and documentaries. The collection took up a good chunk of my family room. Also, they regularly got lost, stolen and damaged. We'd spend an hour arguing about what movie to watch and then it would take us an hour to find it.

We've left physical media behind. Now if I want to play a movie in my collection then it's click-click. Oh, and Fuck Sony. It's been about a year since any of their asshole divisions (electronics, entertainment, etc.) has seen a fucking dime of my money. So let them load up DRM and root-kits on all their products.

Oh, and ripping a DVD you own is fair use, at least until they finally do away with fair use soon with PRO IP, but that's a different topic lol. I was at a party once and was talking to some guy from the entertainment industry and a federal judge and the judge was asking the guy if it was legal to rip one of her DVDs (how ironic she was asking him) and he was telling her no. It's a grey area of the law for sure, but I think I mentioned the guy that publicly declared he was ripping his movie collection and dared anyone to come after him and nobody did. I forget the legal jargon but fair use surpercedes ant-circumvention.

These are the people that would make us pay 10 times for the same movie and are doing everything within their power to see that it comes to pass.

[Bahd Zoolander]

Oh, and Fuck Sony. It's been about a year since any of their asshole divisions (electronics, entertainment, etc.) has seen a fucking dime of my money. So let them load up DRM and root-kits on all their products.

All Blu-ray players manufactured after late 2009 are required to have Cinavia detection built in. It's not just a Sony thing.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

What a great technology. It only hassles paying customers. Non-paying customers still get a nice clean rip, so what's the point again?

[Bahd Zoolander]

What a great technology. It only hassles paying customers. Non-paying customers still get a nice clean rip, so what's the point again?

The point is that paying or non-paying, rips don't work. It even affects cam and telesync movies.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

What a great technology. It only hassles paying customers. Non-paying customers still get a nice clean rip, so what's the point again?

The point is that paying or non-paying, rips don't work. It even affects cam and telesync movies.

Rips don't legally work. That's an important distinction. Not my area of expertise but I'm about 100% sure that the technology has been defeated and that lots of people are ripping blurays.

EDIT: It should be obvious at this point that the studios have declared war on fair use in a futile effort to stamp out piracy. They're acheiving the exact opposite though. All they're doing is penalizing their paying customers. Their answer to "why should I buy?" is "fuck off, criminal". Fair enough.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

From an article I found:

Since the Cinavia protection is limited to Blu-ray players only (and PS3s), the technology does not affect any playback methods that do not include Cinavia detectors. This means that even if you download a media file which contains the DRM watermark, it will also require Cinavia-compliant hardware in order to acknowledge the watermark (and subsequently block playback).

So it only breaks rips if you try to play them back on a bluray player or a PS3. Why on earth would you rip a bluray movie only to burn it to a disc and play it back in a bluray player? I guess if you were making a straight copy for your aunt Bessie. But these days even aunt Bessie has a HTPC system or at least can plug a flash drive into her laptop.

Too bad I don't own a bluray player or PS3. See that's the thing. When I spent shitloads of money on DVDs I could make copies or do whatever the fuck I wanted with them because they were mine. Now I'm supposed to shell out another 40 grand or so to get everything I bought on DVD in a new format that's more restrictive than something I can get for free? Fuck that. No regrets for all that money I spent the first time around but I'm done.

If the wife says "take me to see this movie" then I take her to see the movie, but gone are the days when I go to Walmart and fill up my cart with discs.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

After yet more reading, heh, they're even putting this Cinavia crap on some standard def DVDs now too, but it's pretty much only Sony hardware with the Cinavia nanny decoder in it. Oh, and there's already dozens of ways to circumvent Cinavia, which again is perfectly legal if you own the original.

[Taxious]

Physical media is sooooo 10 years ago.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

For the longest time optical storage was the shit. You could buy a spindle of CDs and each CD could hold a big chunk of your hard drive. Same when DVDs came out. When I got my first DVD burner I think I had a 40 gig hard drive and the discs held 4 gigs. But optical technology has really lagged behind. If optical drives held a terabyte then we'd all still be using them. Even half that.

All my hard drives are backed up by other hard drives.

[Ddrak]

I haven't seen any useful way to circumvent Cinavia yet (short of "not use a PS3 to play it"). I think it's perfectly fine for studios to encumber their products with anything they want - they just have to weigh the benefits against hurting paying customers.

Optical media is a great distribution format. Not so much a storage format.

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