Oil Spill

[Harlowe]

I'm pretty happy they got the leak slowed/stopped as well,

Are you drunk? The word "stopped" as no earthly business being in that sentence.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Yes. I'm drunk, now fuck off.

[Harlowe]

If you took your own advice you wouldn't be called out for moronic statements so regularly.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Last I knew they were "throttling down" the leak, I hadn't checked if it was still leaking or if they had officially brought it to a stop... nor did I really fucking care.

[Embar Angylwrath]

CNN has a live feed of the leak going 24/7. Its definately not stopped.

[Lurker]

Here's a site with all the available feeds.

Ddrak,
Do you at least agree that we should mandate that relief wells are drilled prior to bringing the main well into production? That's the lesson we should have learned in 1979.

[Harlowe]

So full of shit. If you aren't really paying attention to what is going on (because you don't "fucking care"), then why are you posting, pretending as if you are?

[Embar Angylwrath]

Here's a site with all the available feeds.

Ddrak,
Do you at least agree that we should mandate that relief wells are drilled prior to bringing the main well into production? That's the lesson we should have learned in 1979.

That has its own issues. Until you get the well running, you have to deal with three well failures instead of one. What if the first releif well dug failed?

[Fallakin Kuvari]

So full of shit. If you aren't really paying attention to what is going on (because you don't "fucking care"), then why are you posting, pretending as if you are?

I pay attention to it at random (hence, not really paying attention to it) and voice my opinion in here. I linked the Maddow piece, then asked about the Persian Gulf Oil spill (Iraq War 1 oil spill) and the thing that has you so pissed off.

Personally I'm surprised you let me get under your skin like that.

[Lurker]

Personally I'm surprised you let me get under your skin like that.

Harlowe isn't the one who seemed agitated. That would be you.

That has its own issues. Until you get the well running, you have to deal with three well failures instead of one. What if the first releif well dug failed?

After doing a few minutes of research (which I should have done before posting) I've found that other countries do not mandate relief wells. Canada only requires that companies guarantee the ability to drill a relief well in the same drilling season - before the ocean freezes - in some areas of the Arctic. So if you read on the Internet that other countries mandate relief wells it's not correct.

That said, it might not be a bad idea to mandate nearly completed relief wells. That way they could quickly intersect the main well in case of disaster. There are also some backup shutoff devices that might have helped prevent the disaster.

[Harlowe]

CRAWLING IN MY SKIN..THESE THEY WILL NOT HEAL!!!

I'm entertained by how phony and full of shit he can be, but I'm not in the least agitated. Calling him out is kind of sport.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

She certainly seemed agitated to me.

And yes, I was aggravated when I wrote that message Lurker... because I was dealing with fucking morons in WoW.

[Ddrak]

Do you at least agree that we should mandate that relief wells are drilled prior to bringing the main well into production? That's the lesson we should have learned in 1979.

I don't know enough. It sounds like deep-sea wells need some better safeguards, but I'm more interested to wait until the inquiries come out with the relevant recommendations. I suspect a lot of it will be better operational procedures that pay better attention to warning signs.

Dd

[Arathena]

Enforcement of existing safeguards, as usual, would go a long way.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Agreed on the enforcement. And that's where most of the failings usually occur. Typically, we have enough regulations on the books, but they just aren't enforced. Same with the financial meltdown, a large part of the responsibility is actually the fault of lax government enforcement of existing regs. But you don't hear much talk about that.

Personally, I don't think off shore drilling is necessary for the energy strategy of the US. It provides such a small percentage of overall oil volumen its almost not worht it monetarily, and certainly not worth it when you figure in the costs of an environmental disaster every 10 years or so.

On the bright side, all those temporary clean-up workers get to replace the census workers for job growth....

[Embar Angylwrath]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... RDS=Samson

Pretty damning critique of BP by someone in hte business. The letter to the editor digests the Congressional testimony and rips away BPs claims that the cause of the spill was a faulty BOP. The author of the letter claims the BOP is a back-up devicce, and yes, even though it did fail, the reason it was put into play was because of a bunch of bad decisions made by BP that were outside the normal scope of industry standards.

Good read.

[Embar Angylwrath]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edward-f- ... 80087.html

One wonders why the Obama admin hasn't shut down the Atlantis rig (which many members of Congress expressed concern about... read their letter). And its in waters 2000 feet deeper than Horizen. Given the questions surrounding BPs operations in the Gulf, one would think it prudent to shut down all their deepwater rigs until each is audited for compliance.

Can't blame that one on Bush...

[Harlowe]

If we can legally do that, I'm in absolute agreement.

I have already said that I'm not happy at all with the Obama's actions thus far. The entire system is fucked, why weren't we enforcing the current regulations, why were approving leases that had laughable paperwork.

This is clusterfuck of incompetence.

[Embar Angylwrath]

The puzzling thing to me is why MMS was left untouched by the Obama admin when everyone knew how incestuous it was. We all remember reading about how sex drugs and rock-n-roll were a part of the culture there. And given the fact that members of Congress tried to expressly address the Atlantis situation earlier this year with MMS (some very prominent Dems I might add), nothing was done by the administration.

Again, given the failure of Horizon and the questionable engineering at Atlantis, the Obama admin should stop BP from drilling altogether until a thorough regulatory review is conducted at each of their rigs. If he doesn't do at least that, he's falling down on the job (or in bed with Big Oil, no matter what falls out of his mouth).

Edit: I should add that memers of Congress also wrote Salazar about Atlantis, as recent as May 26. Yet nothing has been mentioned about it by the administration. God help them if something happens at Atlantis AFTER they were put on notice.

[Embar Angylwrath]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... how_page=0

Read this expose and tell me how much of this is on the plate of Obama (via Salazar)