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I've sat on this for about a week now, so I'll finally say something about it since obviously no one else is going to.

Acorn has been shown to be corrupt. Senate voted to defund Acorn last week, 83-7.

Now, I understand if some of you might have missed this and I really don't blame you. Your detest for Glenn Beck and FoxNews means you missed the boat on this one. So lets try to get you up to speed.

Two individuals, James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles, went to various Acorn offices around the country posed as a pimp and a prostitute (respectively) looking for a way to get a house so that they could open up a brothel with 13-15 Ecuadorian girls in the house as prostitutes.

The first video they released was from the Baltimore, Maryland Acorn office and the video was released on 9/10. Acorn responded by firing the employees in the video. Scott Levenson said: “The portrayal is false and defamatory and an attempt at gotcha journalism. This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the video before commenting further.”

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2338208/posts (This can no longer be obtained from the Acorn.org website, its simply a broken link.)
Bertha Lewis, Chief Organizer, ACORN wrote:This recent scam, which was attempted in San Diego, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia to name a few places, had failed for months before the results we’ve all recently seen.
The second video released was from the Washington D.C. Acorn office and it was released on 9/11. After this video was released the Census severed all ties with Acorn.

A third video was released from the =http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/14/ac ... orn office and it was released on 9/14. It was after this video was released that the Senate voted to cut their funding in a 83-7 vote.

Yesterday a fourth video was released from the San Bernardino Acorn office. Just over an hour ago Acorn released a statement that they are planning an internal investigation.

So where was the Main Stream Media on this? Either out to lunch or lying to themselves. Charlie Gibson claimed this morning that he hadn't even heard of this story.

Jon Stewart even got in on asking where everyone was on this.
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I is good at BBcode...

A third video was released from the Brooklyn Acorn office and it was released on 9/14. It was after this video was released that the Senate voted to cut their funding in a 83-7 vote.
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Fallakin wrote:Acorn has been shown to be corrupt.
No. ACORN has been shown to have really shitty hiring practices.
Fallakin wrote:Your detest for Glenn Beck and FoxNews means you missed the boat on this one.
These videos don't support Beck's paranoid ravings about Obama teaming up with ACORN to take over the country. Not only that, but I heard about the videos last week without having my mind poisoned by a deranged talking head.
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I've been hearing about it on NPR and CNN. Acorn being under investigation and riddled with employee fraud problems isn't anything new, this is just another nail in it's coffin. The Senate voted to deny it access to federal housing funds and the Census Bureau severed ties. I don't know why anyone would want to use them, the way they pay their staff (and hire them) encourages fraud.

And yea, what Lurker said.
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Congratulations. I'm glad you two have a pulse. All it took to not hear about it on Fox before Saturday was the ability to breathe, read and get your news somewhere other than ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN. We can all take solace in the fact that neither of you have been dead in the past week.
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It's always funny when a wingnut lemming tries to act superior. :lol:
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Actually, I had heard about this practically from the moment the videos hit from left wing blogs like Sadly, No! and Balloon Juice.

My reaction? It would be silly if it didn't highlight the current condition of the Wurlitzer. This is a group that got in the GOP's craw because they registered a lot of minorities who have historically been underrepresented in our elections. First they tried massive claims of voter fraud without finding a single fradulent vote cast. Then they tried undercover gotcha journalism from Bill O'Reilly's ambush bug, and it stuck.

In the meantime, an actual Republican House member managed to make a fool of the party on national teevee during a Presidential speech and the rest of the crew managed to have zero effect on the health care debate. Quite frankly, it looks like ACORN's about as large as they can get right now.

Okay, good, you got them. You win. It won't undo all the legal registrations they got, and all those people they had working for them are going to go back to those communities and tell them how the GOP did 'em dirty because they got minorities to vote. How do you think that's gonna play in 2010 and 2012 when Michael Steele (or whatever the new mouthpiece of the RNC will be) goes looking to grab any of that minority vote?
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I don't know if I posted it already, but it should have been in this thread
The Distracting Benefits of Acorn Hysteria

Just one of the updates to the above article..
UPDATE II: The American Spectator's Joseph Lawler responds by claiming that the tea-party movement is every bit as devoted to combating the extreme corporate influences I highlight here as it is the likes of ACORN ("it is the same right wing that uncovered ACORN's crimes that opposed the same marriage of state and big business that Greenwald complains about"). Sorry, but that's just ludicrous. I have no doubt that there are people attending these protests who are non-partisan, non-discriminating and principled in their opposition to government corruption, expansion and excesses. That's because there's no real coherent message to these protests; it's just amorphous anger which likely has numerous causes among the various participating constituents: Ron-Paul libertarians, paleoconservatives, LaRouchians, Southern race resenters, social conservatives, GOP operatives, standard dittohead liberal-haters, etc. Each group has a different agenda, often wildly divergent. The only thing they seem to have in common is that they hate Obama.

But look at who the lead supporters are: Rush Limbaugh, the Murdoch-owned Fox News, Glenn Beck, the right-wing blogosphere and talk radio generally, business groups led by Dick Armey. Does anyone actually believe that what motivates them is concern over the excessive, corrupting influence of Wall Street and large corporations in government? Please. They are pure GOP partisans who are exploiting citizen anger to undermine Democratic politicians in order to return the GOP to political power. It's nothing more noble or profound than that. In fact, many of the movement leaders are among the most vocal advocates for unfettered corporate power. From the expansions of the Surveillance State and endless imperial power to strident opposition to lobbyist reforms, they support the very policies that most empower those corrupting groups and further the government-corporate merger. If they're so concerned about excessive government power, debt and corporate influence and corruption, where were they during the Bush era? Cheering it all on. They didn't discover their "small-government principles" until Barack Obama was inaugurated and it became a means for undermining his administration and recovering from Republican political ruin.

As for ACORN, nobody is apologizing for them or suggesting that they've done nothing wrong. Any group that large will have individuals in it who do bad things. The issue is one of proportion. If someone ostensibly opposes government waste and unfairness in tax policy yet spends most of their time focusing on a tiny group that helps the poor and receives a miniscule amount of government money -- all while ignoring or even revering the enormous, omnipotent industries which eat up trillions in taxpayer waste and dwarf the impact of ACORN by many, many magnitudes -- then any rational person would question what the real motives are [and the claim that ACORN is "Now Eligible for up to $8 billion" is pure Beckian deceit; they (like every other group in the U.S.) are theoretically "eligible" for any stimulus funds in the areas in which they work, but they haven't received a penny of it, and the chances they'd receive all or most of it are, and always have been, zero].

ACORN isn't just being mentioned in passing as something that needs an examination; it's dominating headlines and the obsessions of the Fox News movement, despite the fact that it's a tiny, microscopic drop in the bucket even when assessed by the principles the protesters claim to support (by a vote of 345-75, the Democratic-led House just joined the Senate in voting to cut off all funds to ACORN; I'm sure the courageous Congress will be doing that to Blackwater, KBR, Citibank, lawbreaking telecoms and many other corrupt corporations who own them any moment now). Claiming you're worried about large government and taxpayer waste while fixating on ACORN proves the insincerity of the ostensible concern, let alone doing so while cheering on the same Wall Street banks, defense contractors, and insurance industries that control and expand government power for their own benefit.
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