What Americans Feel

[Embar Angylwrath]

Polls are important. Maybe not in a singular sense, but many polls on many subjects sketch an outline of the people's thoughts and opinions on government. Spend some time here... http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... _key_polls

Plenty of polls and summaries. What I get from Rasmussen is this: Congress is too liberal, Obama has dropped in job approval rating faster than any other president before him, most people would shit-can the entire Congress if they could (but this is a good example of sheep mentality... the electorate expresses outrage and then keeps voting in incumbents.. /boggle).

Anyway, I'll let the information there speak for itself. Draw your own conclusions.

[Lurker]

I wonder which poll is the outlier.



I agree polls are important. I also agree that Obama has seen a drop in approval. Not surprising given the dishonest war against reform we've seen exploding on the TV the last month.

But you're conclusions are very odd. You look at "feelings" and turn them into fact. For example, you look at the result that a majority think congress is too liberal and conclude that congress is too liberal. That's a bit like looking at polls showing 70% think Saddam was directly involved in 9/11 and concluding that Saddam was directly involved in 9/11, when the poll result really showed that people were wildly misinformed. So, instead of addressing the actual problem (that people are misinformed) you want us to see the poll results as vindication for Republicans and a rejection of the Democrats. I don't see it that way.

I think Rasmussen is an outlier on a lot of their opinion polling, but the results still concern me because if people do really feel that way we clearly aren't doing a good enough job keeping the public informed and pushing back against disinformation campaigns. That's the conclusion I draw.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Actually Lurker... if you would have taken the time to read my post... I said draw your own conclusions...

Rasmussen is a good source.. at least good enough to be positioned as a poll with a rep for the finger on the pulse of the American public. As good as any, I think. It's not biased towards left or right that I can tell.

That said, what do their polls tell you?

[Lurker]

You also said things like, "What I get from Rasmussen is this: Congress is too liberal".

I did draw my own conclusions. You ended your post with, "draw your own conclusions" and I ended mine with "that's the conclusion I draw". So which one of us isn't reading?

You can try to run away from your conclusions if you want, but they are right there in black and white.

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That said, what do their polls tell you?

I was pretty clear about what the polls tell me, and about how what they told you was odd. You sure you want to get into a debate about which of us is actually reading these posts?

[Embar Angylwrath]

LOL.. ok.

Denial of reality is a sure sign of insanity.

[Lurker]

If poll respondents believe things that aren't true, I conclude that we need to do a better job informing the public and pushing back against disinformation campaigns. You conclude that the things that aren't true are true because people "feel" they are.

I don't see where I'm the one denying reality.

[Ddrak]

Gallup has plenty of free data available as well, if you're looking for a broad spectrum of polls.

Dd

[Partha]

I personally wonder why all these Republicans have now become overt Clintonites, holding their finger in the wind to find out what Rush Limbaugh and FOX viewers think about something before going out and arguing for that position. They used to get really angry at that when Bill was in office.

Of course, I'd love to see Democrats ram single payer through reconciliation and do the greatest good for the least cost, and freakout majors and weekend warriors be damned.

[Embar Angylwrath]

I personally wonder why all these Republicans have now become overt Clintonites, holding their finger in the wind to find out what Rush Limbaugh and FOX viewers think about something before going out and arguing for that position. They used to get really angry at that when Bill was in office.

Of course, I'd love to see Democrats ram single payer through reconciliation and do the greatest good for the least cost, and freakout majors and weekend warriors be damned.

What what WHAT?

If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that Republicans now support Clintonesque policy, with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh being fans of those policies. If you're saying something different, please clarify.

[Partha]

It's right there, plain as day and readily diagrammable so that you can figure out what I'm talking about. Your people have turned into windsocks. This is why Republican legislator after Republican legislator who has made mildly critical comments about Limbaugh all end up on his radio program sucking his metaphorical cock afterwards.

What's funny is how you guys used to bitch about Clinton running the country by polls, and now you're doing this. Whatever the crazy 26% want, the crazy 26% get, and no backtalk. Secession in Texas? The governor's with ya! Obama is Hitler? Well, I wouldn't say that, but his policies move us towards socialism! The last instance of balls shown in the Republican Party was when McCain had to tell Old Crazy Lady that Obama wasn't a furriner Muslim.

[Embar Angylwrath]

It's right there, plain as day and readily diagrammable so that you can figure out what I'm talking about. Your people have turned into windsocks. This is why Republican legislator after Republican legislator who has made mildly critical comments about Limbaugh all end up on his radio program sucking his metaphorical cock afterwards.

What's funny is how you guys used to bitch about Clinton running the country by polls, and now you're doing this. Whatever the crazy 26% want, the crazy 26% get, and no backtalk. Secession in Texas? The governor's with ya! Obama is Hitler? Well, I wouldn't say that, but his policies move us towards socialism! The last instance of balls shown in the Republican Party was when McCain had to tell Old Crazy Lady that Obama wasn't a furriner Muslim.

You have clearly lost your mind.

[Harlowe]

Partha crazy? Please, that's pretty spot on about McCain and the state of the GOP. Seriously, Ol' Walnuts is one of the only politicians that hasn't become beholden to the crazies, Rush & Beck and come on, you know damn well that every GOP politician that spoke out against something retarded he said, then backpedaled like their political life depended on it and totally kissed his big, flat ass after Rush got pissed off.

NOW THAT, is insane.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Partha crazy? Please, that's pretty spot on about McCain and the state of the GOP. Seriously, Ol' Walnuts is one of the only politicians that hasn't become beholden to the crazies, Rush & Beck and come on, you know damn well that every GOP politician that spoke out against something retarded he said, then backpedaled like their political life depended on it and totally kissed his big, flat ass after Rush got pissed off.

NOW THAT, is insane.

Wait.. where did Partha mention McCain? It seemed to me a blanket and derogatory statement. why are you reading more into it?

I'm on record here of saying Rush is (well, I can't remember the words), but let it rest as "entertainer"? I'm also on record as saying I don't listen to Rush.

I'll also go on record as saying I don't listen to Beck. I think I've said repeatedly I get my news from NPR. I don't need spin, I don't need someone telling me their opinion, I just need facts, thank you, and I can make up my own mind.

You seem to be letting Partha and Lurker shape your opinions.. what gives? You used to be more independent.

[Partha]

Wait.. where did Partha mention McCain?

The last instance of balls shown in the Republican Party was when McCain had to tell Old Crazy Lady that Obama wasn't a furriner Muslim.

I know this is SUPPOSED to be verboten now in our discussions, but LEARN. TO. FUCKING. READ.

[Harlowe]

Partha already covered the "where did he mention McCain" part. I mean geeezus are people even bothering to fucking read posts anymore or are they just lazily posting knee-jerk bullshit replies? It's pretty clear he did mention him, which would make sense since my reply mentioned it, which if you didn't catch would maybe warrant a little peek-a-loo at his post to check if you were all WTF about it.

Regarding insanity of a party - a party beholden to news-tainment figures is embarrassing and, yes - insane. If you are denying that GOP political figures have been virtually down on their knees when they piss off Rush, you're ...lying. I say lying rather than delusional, because everyone has seen it. It's so common, once someone insinuates something closely resembling a critical comment towards him, people speculate when the groveling and mea culpa is going to happen. When it does, it's posted.

Since I seldom, if ever, jump in to fight Partha's battles with you (because you two have your own special relationship) I find the rest of your comment pretty ridiculous. Yes, my views are entirely formed by them...that's why I excitedly post things like "The Next Right" because I'm just such a good soldier.