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In fact, I think the report stated she "settled" instead of "was awarded damages in the amount of X", which would indicate it never went to trial.

I imagine there would be much pressure on the defendants to settle in a case like this... who would want their more intimate acts part of the public record?
In that case, the plaintiff is quite literally a blackmailer. It makes it sound like had it gone to court then the plaintiff would have lost, but because of the nature of the charge it would have released sensitive personal information, so the plaintiff is paid to go away.

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Embar Angylwrath wrote:
Harlowe wrote:Yes, let's make everyone responsible for ruining marriages pay, consequences for all! First the mistresses, then the strippers and the Hooter's Waitresses. Hell the owners that allow married men into their titty bar establishments. Then perhaps the porn industry, the internet, Vegas, Ducks Unlimited, the NFL and shitty in-laws. Oh and the Mall and credit card companies.

The person that should be paying the consequences is the husband with the wandering dick. Whores abound in the world and they always will. Married men aren't forced to fuck them.
Not everyone, Harlowe, just those that caused substantial and knowing harm to the marriage contract. Don't see why you have an issue with that. Wouldn't you have an issue if someone tried to harm a business relationship you had? This is purely financial. No one is whipping anyone at the stocks. Just making them accountable for the civil aspect of the marriage contract.
Then yes, all the businesses and people (including the guy's friends if they create problems in that marriage) that create marriage problems would have their % of culpability just as a mistress did. Marriage isn't simply a business contract. It's an emotional relationship. Marriage succeeds and fails in equal proportions if all the culprits that knowingly lead to problems within a marriage were sued, we'd tie up the justice system completely with the ridiculous spectacle.

There are only two people that should be called to account for the success or failure of a marriage and that is the husband and wife. If they screw others, if they do things that alienate the other, if they abandon the other - these are all choices that the couple themself are responsible for.

The courts didn't decide in this woman's favor, like Ddrak pointed out, it was basically blackmail.
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Harlowe wrote: Then yes, all the businesses and people (including the guy's friends if they create problems in that marriage) that create marriage problems would have their % of culpability just as a mistress did. Marriage isn't simply a business contract. It's an emotional relationship. Marriage succeeds and fails in equal proportions if all the culprits that knowingly lead to problems within a marriage were sued, we'd tie up the justice system completely with the ridiculous spectacle.

There are only two people that should be called to account for the success or failure of a marriage and that is the husband and wife. If they screw others, if they do things that alienate the other, if they abandon the other - these are all choices that the couple themself are responsible for.

The courts didn't decide in this woman's favor, like Ddrak pointed out, it was basically blackmail.
Marriage is BOTH a social contract with financial consequences AND an emotional commitment (hopefully). If the financial aspect of the marriage is substantially fucked with by a third party, then that party should be accountable.

And you nor Dd have enough knowledge about the case to know what kind of legal position she had. People settle cases all the time even if they have a good legal case. They do it to get it over with, because they don't have enough money to bring the case to trial and other reasons. Would she have won or lost? Who knows. But if the case had absolutely no merit at all, they opposing attorney would be able to get it tossed on a summary judgement motion, and there would never have been any type of settlement negotiations.
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The fact is - there wasn't a judgement, so you can't claim to know either. And like I said, if you are going to sue mistresses, then there is a long line of other contributing people and businesses that should be culpable as well.

I don't buy that it would have been tossed out if it was ridiculous. All kinds of retarded cases are settled.
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There was a judgement in the case. Embar was wrong when he said they settled prior to a court decision.
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Well that's just stupid and hopefully can be appealed, because she should have to prove that the alienation of affection or destruction of marriage (whichever she is trying to claim) would not have not have happened from another independent factor other than the mistress.
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I can't find the court case in question since we only have her first name to go by.

I did find one of the first U.S. cases to deal with this type of tort. First block is the case history from the lower court and then the SC reversal. I found it entertaining.
COOK vs. WOOD.

SUPREME COURT OF GEORGIA

30 Ga. 891; 1860 Ga. LEXIS 226

June, 1860, Decided

PRIOR HISTORY: [**1] Case, from Harris county. Tried before Judge WORRILL, October Term, 1858.
This action was brought by Henry Wood against Elijah Cook, to recover damages of the latter for criminal conversation had with plaintiff's wife. The defendant plead the general issue; and also, that for years previous to the institution of the suit, plaintiff's wife was a person of loose habits, notorious bad character, and a common prostitute.

On the trial, the plaintiff proved by one Ransome Wood, the guilt of defendant as alleged.

The defendant, on his part, proved by John Moore, that one Tomlinson had intercourse with plaintiff's wife in 1855, and that he witnessed the act. By Joseph Dent, that plaintiff once told him that he believed Edward Nance had had intercourse with his wife. The witness also stated that he once heard Wood abuse his wife and call her a whore, that he was quite angry at that time, and greatly excited.

Thomas Moore testified, that as far back as 1855, he had heard plaintiff say he believed Cook kept his wife, or words to that effect; he had also heard him say Cook was the man that had destroyed his peace and ruined his happiness at home. Dent stated that he knew Mrs. [**2] Wood before plaintiff moved to Harris, and that her character was bad. He also stated that plaintiff told him that when he, plaintiff, first went to Harris, he could not borrow five dollars from him, and he thought he was a mean man; but afterwards his wife could get as much money from him (Cook) as she wanted and he thought he was a very fine man.

In rebuttal, it was proved by James Biggers that he had heard things said about Mrs. Wood both ways, but knew nothing against her. That she was received into good society, and associated with the best people in the neighborhood. Moore testified that she was a member of the Baptist Church in good standing; that there were reports against her, which had caused him to watch her close, and he had never discovered anything improper in her conduct.

When the evidence closed, counsel for defendant asked the Court to charge the jury that, "it is not always necessary that the husband be proved to have connived at the particular acts of adultery charged, for if he suffers his wife to live as a prostitute, and have criminal intercourse with third persons, he can have no action--it is damnum obsque injuria." This charge the Court refused to [**3] give.

The jury found a verdict for plaintiff for $ 2,000.00, and thereupon counsel for defendant moved for a new trial, on several grounds, of which the above refusal to charge was the chief.

The rule was refused, and counsel for defendant excepted.
PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Defendant sought review of an order from a trial court, Harris County (Georgia), which entered judgment on a jury verdict in favor of plaintiff in his action to recover pecuniary damages from defendant for criminal conversation the later allegedly had with plaintiff's wife and which denied defendant's motion for a new trial.

OVERVIEW: Plaintiff asserted that he was entitled to damages allegedly incurred by defendant's relationship with plaintiff's wife. Defendant asserted that the wife was a person of loose habits, was a notorious bad character, and was a common prostitute. Plaintiff proved his case through a witness who was the son of the wife, and defendant offered several witnesses who testified as to both the wife's adulterous actions with other and plaintiff's forbearance of the same. In reversing, the court agreed with defendant that the trial court erred in refusing to give a jury instruction on the law relating to the bar of an action based upon a husband's passive sufferance or connivance in a wife's adulterous behavior. The court found sufficient evidence to warrant such an instruction, noting, among other things, that plaintiff lived with his wife on defendant's property, was aware that she received money from him, knew that she closely associated with a known prostitute, and that he had offered to defendant, in exchange for a settlement of property, to claim as his own one of the wife's children, whose paternity was otherwise subject to question.

OUTCOME: The court reversed the trial court's judgment.
Having the Supreme Court in Georgia rule against him in 1860 because his wife was a whore must not have been good for his standing in the community. :D
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I can't find the case either, I wonder if it's another talk show BS story. Oprah isn't known for having very honest guests.
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Lurker wrote:There was a judgement in the case. Embar was wrong when he said they settled prior to a court decision.
Was that part of the Oprah piece?

Edit: Yeah, it was, I missed that on the first go-around, thanks for pointingit out. She took it to trial, won, was awarded $500,000 and then settled for $50,000 (probably because the other side was going to appeal it).

As for Harlowe: Marriage is, and always has been first a contract and second an emotional commitment. You can be emotionally committed to someone without marriage, but you can't be financially committed to them unless you're married (official or common-law). And I agree with you that anyone that fucks with the marriage knowing (or should have known) that their actions would substantially damage the marriage, should be financially responsible for the damage they cause. The courts have systems to weed out all those piddly-ass examples you mentioned. Part of that is the damage award. Part is controlled by statutory exclusions. Part in case-law allowing for a sense of reasonableness.
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So where is this supposed case? Or any recent cases that have proven that the alienation of affection or destruction of marriage would not have not have happened from another independent factor other than the mistress, where the wife or husband was awarded damages by the mistress/fuck buddy whatever.
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Harlowe wrote:So where is this supposed case? Or any recent cases that have proven that the alienation of affection or destruction of marriage would not have not have happened from another independent factor other than the mistress, where the wife or husband was awarded damages by the mistress/fuck buddy whatever.
There are none to my knowledge, which means the courts are working and excluding frivolous claims. (at least in this abstract part of the law)
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The only thing I could find was from 12 years ago, the person never paid and it was based on antiquated law from a time when women were treated like chattel. There are only 8 states you can even make the claim in, just digging around I've read quite a few comments from lawyers (where women have asked if they can sue the mistresses) that it's not worth it because the expense and difficulty in proving your case. It would be extremely difficult to not only prove that a break up would not have happened from another independent factor and that ALSO everything was peachy and would continue being so, if not for the other woman. All the guy would have to do is claim that no things were not peachy before-hand. I doubt the man is going to help the wife sue his other woman.

I can't find any recent cases where it was successful.

I'm looking at this from a practical point of view. I don't want our legal system any more tied up with bs than it already is. I have never been a mistress nor had to deal with one, so I'm not looking at this emotionally. Maybe people that experienced a marriage break up due to cheating would feel differently, but I don't think revenge litigation over relationships gone sour is a direction we need to go in. We already have laws that help distribute assets fairly and give spousal support/maint and child support. Revenge cash from contributors to the shitty marriage shouldn't be something anyone feels entitled to. No one forces a person to flirt or cheat with another person. It's a choice they make.
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Harlowe wrote:Well that's just stupid and hopefully can be appealed, because she should have to prove that the alienation of affection or destruction of marriage (whichever she is trying to claim) would not have not have happened from another independent factor other than the mistress.
That sounds sort of like saying that if you leave your car unlocked and someone steals it, that they should not be held accountable unless you can prove that nobody else would have taken advantage of its unlocked state. I just don't buy into the demand for proof of a negative. The mistress demonstrably (via the correspondence) knew what she was doing and chose to do it anyway. Huzzah that she got held accountable. It's a shame that the philanderer couldn't also have a taste of Shiva-D brought into his life in court, but one can presume he'll be footing at least part of the bill for that $50k settlement.
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You're a little late to the party, no one could actually find this supposed case.
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Hey! I found a similar case from the 1800's. :x
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Funny how time works on a message board.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienation_of_affection
In North Carolina in particular, alienation of affections suits are still regularly pursued, with an estimated 200 lawsuits a year filed. Courts sometimes award large awards, with a few cases in recent years involving awards of over one million dollars. Lawyers advertise their expertise in such lawsuits as a regular legal specialty. In North Carolina such lawsuits can be be filed only for conduct prior to a separation; however, the tort of criminal conversation applies to post-separation conduct as well.
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I thought Harlowe was talking about another type of case. But if she's talking about successful cases of people sueing others for interference with a marriage and winning, there are quite a few out there that are relatively (withni a few years) recent.
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We couldn't find proof of the case on Oprah.
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