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Thanks. Was that so difficult?

Oh... and you are wrong. Rush was blaming Obama and the Dems for Sanfords actions. That part had nothing to do with the healthcare debate. Here's the full transcript. I love how he throws Clinton in at the end.
Obama wants you to—he—the best way to put it—and it's working—he's trying to kill spirit. All this 'hope' and 'change'—he's trying to kill it. You know how many frustrated Americans there are out there at what's happening?

This Sanford business: I've got to tell you, one of the first thoughts that crossed my mind with Mark Sanford, just, this was the first thought: What he did defies logic. This was, this, this is, this is, this is more than being hundred and eighty degrees out of phase because of lust, love.

To split the scene for five days—and we know he's been separated. And he knows, by the way, that the newspaper in his state has the emails between him and his, uh, and his concubine down there in Argentina—he knows this. He knows that somebody knows what's going on. He knows his wife knows.

So he up and leaves for five days, doesn't leave anyone in charge of the state in case there's an emergency. This is, this is almost like, "I don't give a damn—country's going to hell in a handbasket; I just want out of here." He had just tried to fight the stimulus money coming to South Carolina; he didn't want any part of it; he lost the battle. He said, "What the hell. I mean, I'm—the federal government's taking over—what the hell, I want to enjoy life." First, one of the first things, I thought.

Now today he's saying he doesn't want to give up office; he wants to stay in office, but— [long sigh] Even Charles Krauthammer said this is, this is like self-inflicted political suicide. And it, it certainly appeared to be.

The point is, there are a lot of people whose spirit is just—they're fed up, saying, "The hell with it. I don't even want to fight this anymore; I just want to get away from it."

Time to check in on email: "Rush, are you, are you kidding at this, this theory of yours about Sanford?" No! I'm not—my first thought was: He said, "The hell with this. The Democrats are destroying the country, we can't do anything to stop it, I gave everything I had to stop it here in South Carolina, my wife's left me—the hell with it! I'm gonna enjoy life, what little time I've got left!"

Folks, I'm—there are a lot of people that are looking at life, they're saying, "Screw it." They're saying, "Screw it." And before the governm—before Obama takes away their money, before Obama takes away their house, or the economy takes away their house, there are people who are simply saying, "Hell with this." They've tuned out. "The hell with it—I'm just gonna try to enjoy this as much as I can."

And they're thinking about—well, of course, he—have you—do you know how many people—Clinton was in Argentina the other night, from what I'm told. I frankly think that this is what's wrong with the, uh, with the economy today. I frankly think a whole lotta people just lost their spirit!
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There is no point in arguing with you over it, because in your world you're never wrong. So instead here is the full transcript from Rush's site.
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RUSH: Let's go to one of the most interesting exchanges in the infomercial last night. And ABC's Jake Tapper, in describing this, says: "President Obama struggled Wednesday to explain whether his health care reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that wealthier, more powerful people -- like the president himself -- wouldn't face. The probing questions came from two skeptical neurologists" during the ABC News infomercial on Obama healthcare reform. And the first question that we're referring to here is Dr. Orrin Devinsky. He's a New York neurosurgeon. He asked this question of President Obama: "If your wife or your daughter became seriously ill and things were not going well and the plan physicians told you they were doing everything that could be done and you sought out opinions from some medical leaders in major centers and they said, 'There's another option that you should pursue,' but it wasn't covered in your plan, would you potentially sacrifice the health of your family for the greater good of insuring millions, or would you do everything possible as a father and husband to get the best healthcare and outcome for your family?"

Let me translate the question. A neurosurgeon asked Obama: "Okay, you've got the healthcare plan that you're going to prescribe for everybody else. Your wife or your daughter comes down with a major illness. Your plan goes through the diagnosis. And then you find out that there's some other doctor out there somewhere with another procedure and another form of treatment, another opinion, but your plan doesn't cover it. Are you going to stick with the plan you forced on everybody else, or are you going to use your wealth and go outside the plan to get the treatment for your wife and daughter that other people are not going to be able to do because they don't have the money?'' That's the question. He did not answer it. Obama: "You're absolutely right. That if it's my family member, uh, if it's my wife, if it's my children, if it's my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care. But here's the problem that we have in our current healthcare system, is that there is a whole bunch of care that's being provided that every study, every bit of evidence that we have indicates may not be making us healthier."

All he did there was admit: "Yeah, I want the best healthcare possible." Well, so the hell does everybody else! That wasn't the question. The question was: "Are you going to go outside the plan that you have prescribed for everybody?" See, the dirty little secret is he's going to be exempt from the plan, as are all members of Congress. The question was a good one: "Are you going to go outside the plan if you find a better doctor, better treatment that your plan doesn't cover?" "You're right. I'd go get the best care I could. I want the best care." Then comes this irrelevant, non sequitur answer: That we have a bunch of care that's being provided that may not be making us healthier. Folks, I'm telling you, the answer to this question you need to focus on: Obama is looking to cut healthcare. He's looking to cut it because that's the only way he can keep costs where they are or reduce them, which is not going to happen anyway. We have the best healthcare system in this country and he's going to restrict access to it, as a means of saving money.

That's the only way he can do it. So he wouldn't answer the good doctor's question. The answer to the question is, for President Obama: "Yeah, I'm going to use the wealth I've acquired and I'm going to go get the best treatment I can." But the vast majority of Americans will not be able to do that because they aren't going to be able to afford it. They're going to be stuck in a plan that doesn't everything they might need, and Obama's answer is: "Well, maybe you don't need the treatment. Maybe you don't. Maybe your quality of life is such you don't need it anyway. We'll save money." Next question. Member of the audience. Jane Sturm: "My mother is now over 105. But at 100, the doctors said to her, 'I can't do anything more unless you have a pacemaker.' I said, 'Go for it.' She said, 'Go for it.' But the specialist said, 'No, she's too old.' But when the other specialist saw her and saw her joy of life, he said, 'I'm going for it.' That was over five years ago. My question to you is: Outside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody who is elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, a quality of life, or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age?"

Obama: "I don't think that we can make judgments based on people's 'spirit.' Uh, that would be, uh, a pretty subjective decision to be making. I think we have to have rules that, uh, say that, uh, we are going to provide good quality care for all people. End-of-life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we're going to have to make. But understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another. If they're not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they're being made by private insurers. At least we can let doctors know -- and your mom know -- that you know what, maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller." Do you realize how cold and heartless that answer is? This woman is asking about her mother. And everywhere she went, except one doctor, refused to put in the pacemaker. "Nah, she's too old; she's going to die anyway."

So they found a specialist: "Maybe this woman really loves living. I'll put it in." She's lived five years with the pacemaker, and still Obama: "Maybe you're better off to tell your mother to take a pill, take a painkiller." See, we have to have rules. "We have to have rules. Your mother should have died five years ago, lady. She would have been better off taking that painkiller." Who says we have to have his rules? The President of the United States is not a king. He's not an autocrat. He's not a ruler. He doesn't get to set the rules. Obama has taken it upon himself to do so. This woman found a way to get her mother a pacemaker. With Obamacare, you just heard the answer: It wouldn't have happened. I know how this stuff works.

The hospitals are under pressure to free up beds. If they think somebody's terminal, get them out of there. I understand how all this works. But we're not talking about a terminal woman. We're talking about a woman who needed a pacemaker. "I don't think we can make judgments based on people's 'spirit.' That would be a pretty subjective decision to be making." Maybe not if the government's in charge. That's the whole point. What about if families... Do not families have the right to judge the spirit of their fathers and mothers and family members? Of course! Do we want to have a cold, cruel, unfeeling government saying, "Spirit doesn't matter to us"? That's exactly right. Obama wants you... The best way to put it, and it's working, is he's trying to kill spirit. All this hope and change? He's trying to kill it. You know how many frustrated Americans there are out there at what's happening?

This Sanford business. I've got to tell you one of the first thoughts that crossed my mind with Mark Sanford. This is the first thought: "What he did defies logic." This is more than being 180 degrees out of phase because of lust or love. To split the scene for five days, and we know he's been separated -- and he knows, by the way, that the newspaper in his state has the e-mails between him and his concubine there in Argentina. He knows this. He knows that somebody knows what's going on. He knows his wife knows. So he ups and leaves for five days. He doesn't leave anybody in charge of the state in case there's an emergency. This is almost like: "I don't give a damn. The country is going to hell in a handbasket and I just want out of here." He had just tried to fight the stimulus money coming to South Carolina. He didn't want any part of it. He lost the battle.

He said, "What the hell? The federal government's taking over. What the hell? I want to enjoy life." One of the first things I thought, now today he's saying he doesn't want to give up office, he wants to stay in office. (sigh) But even Charles Krauthammer said last night: this is like self-inflicted political suicide. And it certainly appeared to be. The point is there are a lot of people whose spirit is just broken. They're fed up with it and saying, "To hell with it. I don't want to fight it anymore. I just want to get away from it," and here's Obama admitting: "Well, we can't start making judgments based on people's spirit." Imagine if we had had presidents in the past who said we couldn't make judgments on any number of political issues using "people's 'spirit.'" It's the American exceptionalism the spirit-can-doism that built the country. Spirit's everything. Energy, desire, get-up-and-go. Ambition! The woman's mother had ambition to live. She just needed a pacemaker. It didn't matter. She should take a painkiller! I'm telling you, this is a coldhearted, ruthless guy. Not a cool, calm, and collected one.

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RUSH: I'm checking e-mail. "Rush, are you kidding, this theory of yours about Sanford?" No, I'm not. My first thought was he said: "To hell with this. The Democrats are destroying the country. We can't do anything to stop it. I gave everything I had to stop it here in South Carolina. My wife's left me, the hell with it. I'm going to enjoy life what little time I've got left." Folks, there are a lot of people that are looking at life, they're saying screw it. They're saying screw it. Before Obama takes away all their money, before Obama takes away their house or the economy takes away their house, there are people who are simply saying the hell with this. They've tuned out. The hell with it. I'm just going to try to enjoy it as much as I can. Clinton was in Argentina the other night from what I'm told. I frankly think that this is what's wrong with the economy today.

I frankly think a whole lot of people have just lost their spirit. Normal Americans, cap and trade. Stimulus bill. Taking over the automobile companies. They see it. They don't have a voice. They're saying screw it. I can't stop it. The political party that I'm a member of has no spirit either. Do you see any spirit out of the Republican Party? Obama's killing it everywhere it used to be. And that's why the economy is languishing, because in normal times people that make this country work overcome all these obstacles. But now people don't see any way to stop this. Warren Buffet said yesterday: We're in a shambles. The economy's in a shambles. There's no improvement for the end of the year. So Sanford is saying: You know, what the hell, I love this woman. Screw it. I mean, it doesn't make sense and forget the dignity, morality. I'm just telling you a lot of people may have the same attitude.


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Yep, that is a whole bunch of batshit, fucking crazy.
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Looks like Rush moved from his nonsensical discussion on healthcare to his nonsensical theory that Obama and Democrats were to blame for Sanfords actions because they crushed his spirit. The word "spirit" was used in both segments, but the Sanford segment clearly wasn't a seque into the healthcare discussion since... well... the healthcare discussion came first. Duh.
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I'm lost on the healthcare argument. It seems like he's describing the current system more than any sort of partially socialized proposal, or is he actually saying the government should be paying for whatever healthcare choices people want to make for themselves no matter the expense?

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Rush prefers a country where the wealthy have no advantages or privilege over "normal Americans", just like we have now.

That would be destroyed by providing a public option for healthcare coverage. Without a public option "normal Americans" can either stay uninsured, where they can get any medical treatment they desire from the ER, or they can remain with private insurance, where nobody is ever denied coverage for any reason.

It all makes perfect sense.
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Embar Angylwrath wrote:I have compassion for his wife. That has to be devasating to her.

He should step down. If he will betray vows he made to his wife, why should anyone in his state expect they will be treated better?
I agree with the stepping down part, considering he suggested Clinton do the same thing. Technically the state isn't being treated better as it's my understanding Sanford used state funds (which he now must pay back, but only because he was caught abusing them) to travel to Argentina, although I am not sure how I feel about interpersonal relationships as equivalent to a relationship with the state.
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Some people don't see affairs by politicians as indicators of their ability to serve the people. I respect that opinion, but I don't agree with it. People who have affairs are people who gamble everything they have to "feel" a certain way. They are willing to hurt their spouses and children soley for their own personal gratification. That isn't the type of person I want in public office. I expect better of those we choose to lead us.
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Yet another sanctimonious asshole who cares enough about the institution of marriage to prevent gays from having it but not enough to honor his vows. Oh, and also another staunch defender of 'moral values' who decries sexual impropriety as long as HE'S not the one caught dipping his wick in his hoochiemama down south.

RIP Political career of another hypocrite. Yawn.
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Embar Angylwrath wrote:That isn't the type of person I want in public office. I expect better of those we choose to lead us.
It's not what I'd like to see either but rulers never follow the same guidelines set for the ruled. That doesn't make what happens acceptable but if you're holding out for moral authority in your leadership, I worry you'll wait a very long time.
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lol, maybe you're right. I guess i'm a perennial optimist!
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Well, it’s the Super-Monroe Doctrine: “Get off our oil, people who dress funny!” - M. Bouffant

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

The guy is in soooo much denial right now. This is still all about him and he hasn't come to grips with the pain he has caused others (his wife exspecially). If he had any idea of the agony she's going through right now, he wouldn't be spinning this as "a love story". The guy has lost it. Dude needs to step down, take some time and put his life together again.
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I half wonder if the guy is trying to create a situation where there is nothing left for the wife to do but leave him. Then he can pursue this fairytale romance of his. He's obviously not thinking about his wife and family's feelings or reconciling with his wife when he says shit like this....(after commenting that he's crossed the line with other women but not to the point of dipping his dong).
"This was a whole lot more than a simple affair, this was a love story," Sanford said. "A forbidden one, a tragic one, but a love story at the end of the day."
If he makes the choice to leave his family, then he's the asshole, but if it's her decision then what is a guy to do? He has no choice but to move on and what better way to move on then into the arms of his soulmate!

He's really being a pussy and a huge asshole to his family crying to the media about what a victim to love he is.
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He's talking about the love angle because he really doesn't want anyone focusing on the part where he left the state leaderless.
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How about that bullshit of him asking his wife... repeatedly... to talk to meet and talk to his mistress. The stupidity in that act... and his apparent deathwish... should give the electorate concern for his sanity. He's temporarily out of his mind, and these aren't the comments or actions of a rational person. It's almost like watching someone trying to break an addiction they aren't ready to break... the crazy convoluted rationalizations they go through to justify their actions are pitiful and sad to watch.
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It's almost like watching someone trying to break an addiction they aren't ready to break
Nothing "almost like" about it. That's exactly what it is.

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Lets explore that for a bit....

Addicted to what? There is always a physiological component and a psychological component to addiction (some would argue those are really the same, given the nature of brain chemistry). What is the guy addicted to? Feeling admired? Does that feeling generate endorphins in people to the amount that it causes them to get addicted to that biochemical reaction? I suppose I can understand that... sorta... I see it in runners and people who just "gotta have" their workouts. If they don't get a run in or a workout in every couple of days, they get fidgety, sullen, edgy and they don't feel physically off the mark. All hallmarks of withdrawal. (I think Harlowe even commented on how she feels when she doesn't get some exercise every couple of days - she's a runner - which is pretty much like I described)

But with affairs... sometimes weeks or months go by between meetings or communications. How is that endorphin-releasing mechanism sustained during those times?

I've heard that affairs are addictions. But I don't buy it. And if it isn't an addiction.. then what is it? Weakness of character? Sense of entitlement? Lack of empathy? I'd give my left nut for a definitive answer to this one and understand where the roots to this behavior come from.

That also begs the question... are people who "need" that endorphin pulse from exercise more prone to infidelity? I sure would like to see a study on that. Compulsive exercisers/drinkers/gamblers/adrenaline hounds... if they have a higher incidence of engaging in infidelity than couch potatos, that might mean people who cheat really are addicts, and have a disease (or at least have a physiological/psychological pre-disposition to cheating).

Would love to hear comments on this...
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Embar Angylwrath wrote:I've heard that affairs are addictions. But I don't buy it. And if it isn't an addiction.. then what is it? Weakness of character? Sense of entitlement? Lack of empathy? I'd give my left nut for a definitive answer to this one and understand where the roots to this behavior come from.
My first thought on this is that you are reading way too much into it. I think a lot of people that have affairs just don't give a fuck.
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I don't know, I think his lovah looks a bit like a man or a tranny without make-up.
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Oh hey, maybe Mrs. Sanford and the State of South Carolina can sue her! She has cost both time and money and caused feelings of abandonment, hurt and embarrassment.

Time to pay the piper manly latina.
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