Embar Angylwrath wrote:That's the question here. Did Pelosi know about torture, and what did she do to stop it.
She passed legislation against it as soon as she was able.
And to use one of your rhetorical tricks. If you acknowledge that she knew about illegal torture then shouldn't we try Bush and Cheney for having ordered illegal torture in the first place?
"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." - Ronald Reagan 1987
Good to hear from you again. How's everything been?
"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." - Ronald Reagan 1987
Embar Angylwrath wrote:That's the question here. Did Pelosi know about torture, and what did she do to stop it.
She passed legislation against it as soon as she was able.
And to use one of your rhetorical tricks. If you acknowledge that she knew about illegal torture then shouldn't we try Bush and Cheney for having ordered illegal torture in the first place?
She knew about waterboarding and the use of it, which at the time was an unsettled legal issue in regards to torture. If the waterboarding was concretely illegal then, why would she have to pass additional legislation against it?
And she was "able" to introduce legislation as early as 2002. Tell me Klast, when was the legislation you're speaking of introduced? What was the name of thelegislation you're referring to?
Correction Mr. President, I DID build this, and please give Lurker a hug, we wouldn't want to damage his self-esteem.
Embar wrote:She knew about waterboarding and the use of it, which at the time was an unsettled legal issue in regards to torture.
Not sure if you mean in 2002 or 2003, but can you provide some links to back up those statements?
In any case, this discussion is going in circles. Pelosi said she was misled by the CIA briefing and wants the notes released to prove it. She wants a commission to investigate everything, including why Congressional oversight failed to prevent the criminal use of torture. Her opponents want to shut down the investigation or limit it only to what Pelosi knew. I think that speaks volumes.
She knew about waterboarding and the use of it, which at the time was an unsettled legal issue in regards to torture.
No, no it wasn't.
If the waterboarding was concretely illegal then, why would she have to pass additional legislation against it?
The legislation was broader than waterboarding. However, waterboarding is and was clearly illegal.
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Yeah, but wait until all those people find out they just joined the Democrat Socialist Party. And here I said the Republicans had nothing of substance to offer. What a fool I am.
I'm sure the Republicans will support an investigation that focuses on the entire issue, including what members of Congress were told and when. Not like the 60 day investigation of Pelosi was meant to distract or shift focus. It was just a quest for the truth!
Since Pelosi made her original statement about the 2002 briefing, nothing has surfaced to contradict her claims. Quite the opposite.
Lurker wrote:I'm sure the Republicans will support an investigation that focuses on the entire issue, including what members of Congress were told and when. Not like the 60 day investigation of Pelosi was meant to distract or shift focus. It was just a quest for the truth!
Since Pelosi made her original statement about the 2002 briefing, nothing has surfaced to contradict her claims. Quite the opposite.
Then she (and the Dems) should have nothing to fear. If she's clean, then she can put it to bed and move on. And also silence the crtiics.
And I thought you were all for a finding out who knew what and when. Did you change your mind about that?
Correction Mr. President, I DID build this, and please give Lurker a hug, we wouldn't want to damage his self-esteem.
Not at all. Investigate all of it. The main focus should be on the people that approved the criminal acts. Who was briefed and why Congressional oversight failed is also important but it isn't the primary focus.
Calling for a 60 day investigation into Pelosi was such a transparent diversionary ploy that it's comical. Did you actually fall for the ploy or are you just wearing your partisan hat?
It would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. The party that committed the crimes wants to focus on someone that may have known they were committing them.
