'08 Results

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He certainly did:

http://www.fpc.state.gov/documents/orga ... /19134.pdf

To whit:
On March 21, 2003, President Bush reported to Congress, “consistent with the War
Powers Resolution,” as well as P.L. 102-1 and P.L. 107-243, and “pursuant to” his authority
as Commander-in-Chief, that he had “directed U.S. Armed Forces, operating with other
coalition forces, to commence operations on March 19, 2003, against Iraq.” He further stated
that it was not possible to know at present the duration of active combat operations or the
scope necessary to accomplish the goals of the operation–“to disarm Iraq in pursuit of peace,
stability, and security both in the Gulf region and in the United States.”

On March 18, 2003, President Bush notified the Speaker of the House and the President
Pro Tempore of the Senate, “consistent with” section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of
Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (P.L. 107-243), his determination that:
reliance by the U.S. on further “diplomatic and other peaceful means alone” would not
“adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat
posed by Iraq,” nor would this “lead to the enforcement of all relevant United Nations
Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.” The President further stated that “acting
pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and
other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons” involved in the
terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
If he hadn't he would have been in violation of the *cough* unconstitutional *cough* War Powers Resolution.
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No, he didn't brief congress prior to the attacks (which happened on March 18th). The war powers act only requires he notify them after and he did comply with that.

What he didn't do was make a proper "determination" in his notification on March 18th - the supplied documentation was quite literally the preamble to the AUMF, which isn't a determination at all. In short, he complied with the war powers act and came close enough that nobody was in the mood to bitch at the time to complying with the requirements in the AUMF.

Note that the AUMF itself is actually flawed in that it's not constitutionally possible for Congress to cede the act of declaring war to the President (which the document in effect did).

A technical argument could however be made that the 2001 AUMF was still in effect and no further action was really needed from Congress, if we're going to be technical enough to call out the President on his slackness in complying with the 2002 one.

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Freecare Spiritwise wrote:Utopia is just a few inactions away
rofl!

Embar gets riled up when talking about animal cruelty or abortion. Someone should photoshop a dog getting an abortion and he'd go ape shit.
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This isn't exactly about abortion, but it speaks to abortion, gay marriage etc.

Jim Manzi, The Corner, National Review
Politics, properly considered, has limited aims. Attempts to use it to create heaven on earth, whether motivated by secular or religious thinking, usually backfire. Fortunately, most practical people realize this. We should be looking to build political bridges across moral divides by lowering the temperature of such debates, and keeping our expectations of what politics can accomplish appropriately humble.
Amen to that.

Since I brought up gay marriage, I wanted to pass this on - I realize Keith is an intense guy and often bombastic, but his Special Comment with regard to Prop 8 was very good.

Olbermann: Gay marriage is a question of love
Nov. 10: In a Special Comment, Countdown's Keith Olbermann disagrees with the passing of Proposition 8 in California and urges people to accept love between people of the same sex.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 3#27652443
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Holy shit that was moving. Olbermann is an incredible and passionate speaker. I'm glad he framed it as a civil rights issue, because it is.
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Update:
OFFICIAL REPUBLICAN HISTORICAL TIMELINE
as of January 21, 2009

1776: Christians found a Christian nation for Christians based on Christian Christianity
1776-1860: Founding Fathers do foundingly fatherish things
1861-1865: some unpleasantness mumble mumble (Southern version) and/or the greatest Republican president ever freed the slaves (”racism is dead” version)
1866-1929: bunch of dudes with mustaches
1930-1941: the worst US president in history destroys our economy with liberal fascism
1941-1945: the greatest generation in US history destroys fascists
1946-1963: “The Good Old Days”
1964: the worst US president in history passes the Civil Rights Act, makes middle-class white men into a persecuted minority
1965-1975: hippies repeatedly stab our troops in the back, forcing us to lose the Vietnam War
1976-1979: the worst US president in history subjects the proud American people to stagflation and dusky Iranian hostage-takers
1980-1988: Morning In America, bitches!!!!
1989-1992: Morning In America 2: Electric Boogaloo
1993-1999: the worst president in history subjects the proud American people to a blowjob
2000: Al Gore claims to have invented the internet
2001: the year everything changed
2002-2007: War on Terror is won continually, repeatedly, each win more winning than the previous win, despite backstabbing liberal fascist hippies stabbing the backs of our proud American soldiers
2008: worst US president in history is elected; all bad things that happened between 2000 and 2008 that weren’t Clinton’s fault are now his fault
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