Kulaf wrote:This is not Biden misspeaking......other than slipping with some backroom figures. Obama is already setting the groundwork to make this play.
And here's me mocking you by repeating what you said...
Lurker wrote:Biden screwed up and revealed Obama's secret backroom deal to drastically alter his tax plan and raise taxes instead of lower them for the middle class.
I believe that Bidden revealed their new figures based on reduced tax revenues in light of the current economic crisis and a desire to increase Federal spending.
Wow. Ok let me make this easy for you. Quote me saying that Obama was going to raise taxes based on this new figure released by Biden. If you can't see me poking fun at you for saying it you are either dumb.....or being intentionaly obtuse.
To give you the benefit of the doubt I am going with intentionaly obtuse.
We're talking about change vs. no change. Your thread is about Obama changing his tax plan. Ddrak said nothing has changed. You said yeah, but don't tell Lurker.
This really couldn't get any simpler. This argument is like the most boiled down version of every other stupid argument you've ever had on these boards.
Can we all just agree to disagree. All the fighting is tearing this family apart.
"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." - Ronald Reagan 1987
Neil Cuvoto of Fox News of all places, lambasts McCain for his economic plan
On FBC's Cavuto show, Neil Cavuto lambasted John McCain over his economic policies, or lack thereof. It's a searing commentary on McCain's nonsensical approach and the shifting positions he has taken during his campaign.
Cavuto: Frankly, neither of your numbers adds up. But I’ve come to see a consistent pattern in Obama's. For the life of me, Senator Straight Talk, I see no such straight thing with yours.
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You rail against big government, yet continue to push cockamamie spending plans that make a mockery of it. That's why you're losing right now, Senator McCain.
Not because you don't have the courage of your convictions. But because on economic matters, you have no convictions, period
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Obviously Cavuto disagrees with Obama's economic policies, but explains that he's been consistent throughout his entire candidacy. McCain on the other hand shouts "Socialism" at Obama while embracing the same philosophy as Obama for the most part where convenient. Or, he just doesn't know that much about the economy.
* "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." (November 2005)
Cavuto just rips McCain apart in his "The Deal" segment.
John McCain, I figured out today why you're losing. Your positions are always changing.
You voted for the $700 billion rescue package. Yet today lumped your opponent with the Bush Administration for essentially pushing the same package.
What's the deal with the Straight Talk Express?
He voted for this rescue, but now says Barack Obama and the White House, who voted for the same rescue, apparently voted for something different.
Specifically, McCain wants to target the $700 billion into solving the mortgage crisis, not helping Wall Street banks. Look, I wasn't for this rescue, but I kind of knew what it was about...shoring up the banks.
If Senator McCain didn't know that, he shouldn't have voted for that...maybe he should have read that. Because he is smarter than this, and the verbal gymnastics that rival anything John Kerry was ever for before he was against...way, way before this.
Not that Barack Obama's positions are any more encouraging...but they are consistent.
I don't like the left-leaning, spread-the-wealth approach, but it's a consistent approach and the Democratic nominee has never veered from it.
You can accept him and his views or not.
With John McCain I’m not so sure. But I am sure I'm not the only one confused.
...confused by a man who says he hates government spending, but supports pushing $300 billion to bail out folks behind on their mortgage.
You can't say you're against earmarks when you're earmarking that kind of dough, Senator. Or adding more than $50 billion to a stimulus plan you cannot pay for...all the while blasting your opponent for coming up with programs he can't pay for.
Frankly, neither of your numbers adds up. But I’ve come to see a consistent pattern in Obama's. For the life of me, Senator Straight Talk, I see no such straight thing with yours. Obama argues big government d spells out why we need it...accept it or reject it.
You rail against big government, yet continue to push cockamamie spending plans that make a mockery of it. That's why you're losing right now, Senator McCain.
Not because you don't have the courage of your convictions. But because on economic matters, you have no convictions, period
Klast Brell wrote:Can we all just agree to disagree. All the fighting is tearing this family apart.
Well I clearly won't try to poke a bit of fun at Lurker without making it so obvious that any missbegotton case of arrested development can understand it and plenty of:
All this banter on all these threads has been very educating to me, a political noob. I'll never understand politics half as well as most of the folks here, but hopefully I learned enough from you guys to where I at least cast a reasonably informed vote. I'm not sure that my interest in politics will last much past this coming Tuesday, but big-big thanks to everyone here, especially Harlowe and Lurker for helping me to understand the process and the issues better, even if you are liberal elitist assholes Much love.
Much love.