WTF version 1.1

[Ddrak]

Bitching about letting more people vote is flat out anti-democratic.

Dd

[Harlowe]

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Joe_The_P ... _1028.html

I'm sure Shepard Smith of Fox News is going to get all sorts of hate now for actually pushing back on this ridiculous fear-mongering. McCain's camp again showing how irresponsible they are having JTP speak at rallies now, promoting divisive, alarmist shit like - Obama will be the death of Israel. Good fucking grief.

The push-back against Wurzelbacher's comments began, somewhat unexpectedly, at Fox News.

The network noted that the McCain campaign seemed hesitant to distance itself from Wurzelbacher. Correspondent Carl Cameron said that the McCain campaign was going to put out an ad today criticizing Obama policies on Israel.

"Just a coincidence?" he asked. "We report you decide."

Later Tuesday afternoon, Shepard Smith pressed Wurzelbacher on his comments, reminding the woefully misinformed McCain backer that Obama has consistently voiced support for Israel. Pressed several times to explain how he could agree with the conclusion that Obama would lead to the death of the Jewish state, Wurzelbacher was unable to come up with any good reasons aside from Obama's position in favor of negotiating with rogue regimes such as Iran

I just want to make this 100 percent perfectly clear -- Barack Obama has said repeatedly and demonstrated repeatedly that Israel will always be a friend of the United States, no matter what happens once he becomes President of the United States. His words." Smith later added, "The rest of it -- man...some things -- it just gets frightening sometimes. We'll be right back."

[Fallakin Kuvari]

I don't want your pity.

An admittance that you do indeed deserve pity - you just don't want it. You could have worded that better had you rolled your eyes a little more.

No admittance at all.

I'll reiterate, I don't need anyone's pity... I especially don't want his.

[Select]

Just because you don't need or want it, doesn't mean it can't be applied. Pitiful.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Go fuck yourself, whore.

[Trollbait]

On a side note here.....

I will no longer accept being berated for posting from Drudge or the NY Post if folks are allowed to post from rawstory without those same detractors criticizing that source. Might as well post a link to DU...

[Fallakin Kuvari]

On a side note here.....

I will no longer accept being berated for posting from Drudge or the NY Post if folks are allowed to post from rawstory without those same detractors criticizing that source. Might as well post a link to DU...

I just looked at the main page of that site... I have to whole-heartedly agree.

[Harlowe]

Is it untrue? The video on the site is purpose of the link, which is the Fox interview. What I quoted is what he said. I was not vouching for anything else on the site or saying OMG look at that totally awesome news source.

As opposed to Drudge and NM, which headlines hoaxes and untruths that get parroted here then debunked. But you'll never see the people posting the lies retract their melodramatic statements.

Here is just a YouTube clip of Fox News if that makes you feel better.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSJuWgZGYo

[Harlowe]

Drudge's latest headline cherry picked out of his ass.

HEADLINE: OBAMA ONLY UP BY 3 points!!

Lets take a look at all the polls from both RCP & Fivethirtyeight
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

[Fallakin Kuvari]

He often highlights singular polls, while having the RCP average on the site as well.

RASMUSSEN Shock: Obama Lead Down to 3 Points... Developing...

Accuracy Of Polls a Question In Itself...

STRESS BY GALLUP: OBAMA +2

+6.3

Just a sampling of headlines from Drudge.

So yes, Rasmussen has Obama's lead down to 3 points. Gallup at 2. RCP average is 6.3%.

[Harlowe]

Yes, he stresses whatever shows Obama the lowest.

[Lurker]

I will no longer accept being berated for posting from Drudge or the NY Post if folks are allowed to post from rawstory without those same detractors criticizing that source.

We criticized the source and proved why the source was wrong. Don't leave out that second part. It's important.

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I'm not worried about some tightening in the national polls. McCain does really well in the south, Obama everywhere else. Who cares.

If Obama only wins in States that he's currently leading by 7% or more he's the next President. Period. I'm predicting a 5-7% popular vote win and an electoral landslide.

[Klast Brell]

Harlowe. You kind of asked for it there. I wouldn't have linked to Raw Story Either. If the primary source is fox news, then going direct to fox would have been the least controversial choice.

Any time I find something on a lefty web site I always do a Google news search to find it on a better source. My preferred link sources are AP and Reuters. Second tier is CNN, Washington Post and New York Times. I also Like using the local paper in a city where an event happened if the local paper is likely to give richer detail. Toledo Blade is good for Ohio shenanigans. Star Tribune for Minnesota, etc.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Yes, he stresses whatever shows Obama the lowest.

Not true.

He currently doesn't have the GWU/Battleground poll up, which shows the same separation as the Rasmussen poll. He also currently doesn't have the IBD/TIPP poll up there (which a new one should be coming out today, so thats understandable) that's been ranging from 2.8-4% over the past few days.

[Lurker]

Actually, it is true. Drudge jumps around from poll to poll picking whichever shows the lowest Obama lead. Only a hack constantly shifts what poll they highlight.

Why would Drudge pick the Gallup traditional likely voter model that shows a 2 point lead and not the Gallup expanded likely voter model that shows a 7 point lead? Does Drudge really think turnout is going to be the same as it was in 2004?

But again, who cares about national polls at this point.

[Harlowe]

It's pretty telling how silent you two are about the attack hoax he headlined and the pieced together 2001 interview about civil rights he headlined as "redistribution of wealth" just going right along with the truncated recording.

You guys ignore the untrue smear attempts and/or stick your head in the sand. Including Palin/McCain's latest lying about the same thing Drudge is and the whole "he's going to take your possessions and give them to someone else" along with "he wants to rewrite the constitution".

Your news source, not mine.

[Ddrak]

Drudge jumps all over the place with his polls. While it's true he *stresses* the lower numbers, I've seen him with 2, 5 and 10% all on his site at the same time. I don't think anyone is saying he's not a hack though. Raw Story is too though, Harlowe - you did walk into that one.

Dd

[Harlowe]

I'll say it again, I was using Raw for the two videos they posted together and to get the Shepard Smith quote, not for their general reporting nor any other articles on their site. I wasn't using a sites OP-ed piece either, like Fal has a tendency to do. Do I quote them for stories other than this? No. It just happened to have both the videos I wanted to link to and was one of the few sources for the Shepard Smith Fox vs JTP story at the time. It was Raw or Huffington, so ...six of one half dozen of another. They are both biased (though Raw definitely more of a hack site, I wasn't familiar with it honestly), but actual video and quotes are what they are. I figured it wouldn't matter where they resided, as long as it was actual video.

More WTF
mickey mousevoter registration cards = ruining the fabric of democracy, voter intimidation = that's a'right

Voter intimidation
http://washingtonindependent.com/15217/voter-fraud

NM Voter intimidation
http://newmexicoindependent.com/6955/ma ... timidation

McCain supporters harass early voters coming from Obama rally
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/ ... voters-ch/

[Harlowe]

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/nov/03/00020//

If you are unfamiliar with who this is - a key Reagan Administration contributor to the formulation of the Reagan Doctrine, Fukuyama is an important figure in the rise of Neoconservatism.

from The American Conservative - Francis Fukuyama Endorses Obama

I’m voting for Barack Obama this November for a very simple reason. It is hard to imagine a more disastrous presidency than that of George W. Bush. It was bad enough that he launched an unnecessary war and undermined the standing of the United States throughout the world in his first term. But in the waning days of his administration, he is presiding over a collapse of the American financial system and broader economy that will have consequences for years to come. As a general rule, democracies don’t work well if voters do not hold political parties accountable for failure. While John McCain is trying desperately to pretend that he never had anything to do with the Republican Party, I think it would a travesty to reward the Republicans for failure on such a grand scale.

McCain’s appeal was always that he could think for himself, but as the campaign has progressed, he has seemed simply erratic and hotheaded. His choice of Sarah Palin as a running mate was highly irresponsible; we have suffered under the current president who entered office without much knowledge of the world and was easily captured by the wrong advisers. McCain’s lurching from Reaganite free- marketer to populist tribune makes one wonder whether he has any underlying principles at all.

America has been living in a dream world for the past few years, losing its basic values of thrift and prudence and living far beyond its means, even as it has lectured the rest of the world to follow its model. At a time when the U.S. government has just nationalized a good part of the banking sector, we need to rethink a lot of the Reaganite verities of the past generation regarding taxes and regulation. Important as they were back in the 1980s and ’90s, they just won’t cut it for the period we are now entering. Obama is much better positioned to reinvent the American model and will certainly present a very different and more positive face of America to the rest of the world.

Francis Fukuyama is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies.

[Harlowe]

I should have added his article from 2006 "After Neoconservatism"

It's a really good read imo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/magaz ... ref=slogin