US could pull out of Iraq by 2011

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Or as Palin would call it - The Waving the White Flag of Defeat plan. Wonder how they will play this one considering they've been scoffing at Obama for this very idea (though he wanted to be out a year earlier than this pact).
Obama's Iraq plans vindicated as US agrees to pull out by 2011
Iraq and the United States have finally agreed on a security pact which would mean that US forces would withdraw from Iraq by 2011, American and Iraqi officials said yesterday.
The US administration will present the pact as a sign of its success in Iraq but in fact the accord is very different from originally envisaged by Washington which would largely have continued the occupation as before.

President Bush was opposed to timelines or dates for an American withdrawal and the US is still stressing that this is conditional on improved security in Iraq. But it is unlikely that the Shia majority will want to share power with the US.

Iraqi politicians have always assumed that Washington's insistence on signing a new accord before the presidential election was motivated by the White House's hope that the accord would be seen as a sign that its Iraq policy had at last produced a success. The Republican contender, Senator John McCain, started off his campaign by saying that US troops might stay for 100 years and there should be no date for their withdrawal. The Democratic candidate, Senator Barack Obama, wants combat troops home by the middle of 2010, which was also the date originally proposed by Mr Maliki.

Iraq has faded as an issue in the presidential election as the financial crisis worsened. However, claims that the Republicans had won a victory in Iraq looked increasingly unreal as it became clear that a withdrawal date would be determined by Mr Maliki, and not by the US.

The US has given ground on crucial issues. On the legal immunity of American troops Mr Dabbagh said: "Inside their bases, they will be under American law. Iraqi judicial law will be implemented in case these forces commit a serious and deliberate felony outside their military bases and when off duty." Contractors, who have more men in Iraq than the US army, will no longer have immunity.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 62874.html
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This has been in the works for a couple of months now, and its much longer than Obama's 18 month withdrawal of the troops.
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He said 2010, this says 2011. I wouldn't call that MUUUUUCH longer. It's an additional year. Considering McPalin were "hellbent" on not discussing a timeline at all.......
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The difference, Harlowe, is that the Terrorists that are hellbent on destroying our way of life can't plan that far into the future. Timeline to 2010, bad. Timeline to 2011, good. Sure, they can wait us out until 2010... but 2011?
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Its the Bush administration that's been working with Iraq to put this deal in place, so I don't see what the big deal is here.

Yeah, its only around a year longer... Obama would've been early-mid 2010, this will be mid-late 2011 iirc.
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Dude, it was Obama's plan before it was Bush's - you don't recall the media over that? Ooookay.

Also the big deal is, that McCain & Palin trounced on the very utterance of the idea.
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What made it a big deal for the Bush administration was that Iraq wanted us out, that's the reason they put this plan in place.

From July.
Also from July. ;)
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No the big deal was they wanted us out, and Obama's withdrawal plan was in line with what Iraq wanted.

This was before anything was "Bush's" plan.

Also from July:
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandid ... 9020080719

Bush was just beginning talks that Friday or talking about having talks.

From Maliki
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told a German magazine he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months.

In an interview with Der Spiegel released on Saturday, Maliki said he wanted U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible.

"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."

It is the first time he has backed the withdrawal timetable put forward by Obama, who is visiting Afghanistan and us set to go to Iraq as part of a tour of Europe and the Middle East.

Obama has called for a shift away from a "single-minded" focus on Iraq and wants to pull out troops within 16 months, instead adding U.S. soldiers to Afghanistan.

Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain, Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend who people should vote for.

"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality. Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."

Maliki, who is due to visit Germany this week, has suggested a timetable should be set for a U.S. withdrawal but U.S. officials have been more cautious, despite an improving security situation.
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The only problem between what we're saying is that we both think we disagree, and the two articles are from the same day...

So yeah, Obama's plan was more in line with what Iraq wanted and the current administration worked out a deal along those same lines... I think its pretty much a win/win for everyone but McCain.
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It's all a moot point anyway - the whole thing can be renegotiated on Jan 20.

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link

Iraq seems pretty keen to play silly political games. What's the bet the whole thing devolves to another UN mandate rather than a US/Iraqi deal?

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http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNew ... GQ20081028

Your link wasn't working but I think this is the article you meant.
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Yep, thanks.

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