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[Trollbait]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10252008/ne ... 135152.htm

Thirteen campaign workers for Barack Obama yesterday yanked their voter registrations and ballots in Ohio after being warned by a prosecutor that temporary residents can't vote in the battleground state.

A dozen staffers - including Obama Ohio spokeswoman Olivia Alair and James Cadogan, who recently joined Team Obama - signed a form letter asking the Franklin County elections board to pull their names from the rolls.

The letter - a copy of which was obtained by palestra.net, a Fox News affiliate - came a day after prosecutor Ron O'Brien publicly urged out-of-state campaign workers for both Obama and John McCain to "examine your conscience" before the elections board beings begins opening absentee ballots today.

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On Thursday, O'Brien cut a deal with 13 out-of-staters, including four from New York, who tossed out their already-cast ballots and admitted they didn't meet residency requirements.

Maybe this time we can avoid the excuses and diversions of turning this into a "what newspaper is endorsing Obama" thread.

[Lurker]

Both campaigns were given a letter clarifying the rules on residency and voting. The NY Post only mentions one side and tries to turn this into some scandal. It isn't.

[Lurker]

I'll add that the biggest WTF moment is that there is still someone that shows no skepticism at all to a story from the NY Post pushed by Drudge. You might as well quote from Worldnet Daily or Newsmax.

[Trollbait]

Can you show me the McCain people who had to withdraw BALLOTS in Ohio?

[Lurker]

I'm sure the NY Post will get right on that side of the story. Can you show me one other news agency covering this "story"?

[Lurker]

Here's the original wire story.

The Associated Press State & Local Wire

October 22, 2008 Wednesday 1:18 PM GMT

Ohio prosecutor probes campaign workers' residency

SECTION: POLITICAL NEWS

LENGTH: 145 words

DATELINE: COLUMBUS Ohio

A prosecutor in Columbus wants to know why campaign workers for John McCain and Barack Obama are registered to vote in Ohio.

Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien tells The Columbus Dispatch he's investigating the residency of the campaign staffers. He says it's illegal for temporary residents or visitors to register in the state and vote.

O'Brien says investigators will check where spouses and children live and where the campaign staffers have mortgages, bank accounts and driver's licenses to determine how serious they are about calling Ohio home.

The staffers in question include spokesman for both the McCain and Obama campaigns.

Ohio GOP Deputy Chairman Kevin DeWine defends campaign workers from both parties who are working full time in the state, saying they are renters and have every right to vote.

Not sure why the NY Post failed to mention this information. I mean, WTF NY POST! WTF!!!

[Lurker]

From the Columbus Dispatch on Oct 24th, also left out of the NY Post story.

Campaign spokesmen Isaac Baker for Obama and Paul Lindsay for McCain have registered to vote in the state, though both live elsewhere.

Turns out they met one part of the residency requirement for voting but not the other. You need to have lived at an Ohio address for 30 days prior to the election and intend to stay on after the election.

If I can find all this out in about 30 minutes why didn't drudge or the NY Post find this out? WTF Drudge?!? WTF NY Post?!?

[Partha]

Keep scratching for reasons, Jecks.

[Trollbait]

The way the story is playing out so far the investigator is LOOKING at both campaigns but only Obama campaign members have actually had to withdraw VOTES due to them being cast illegally.

[Lurker]

We already know there was no criminal intent from either campaign. So... either the McCain staffers haven't come forward yet or they weren't enthusiastic enough to take part in early voting.

This story doesn't mean what you hoped it meant. You were spun. You trusted the NY Post - the fucking NY Post! - to give an unbiased account and you fell flat on your face. Learn from it.

[Harlowe]

I'm kind of surprised he didn't post about the black man that attacked the McCain volunteer and carved a backwards "B" on her face, since Drudge was in rabid hysterics about it.

Honestly....jumping on a NY post article without getting the actual details?

Diversions? You mean like bringing up random items melodramatically that don't pan out? Yeah, I would hate a thread to actually turn to facts rather than a stage for melodramatic nonsense.

[Trollbait]

Yeah. Diversions.

I am not really suprised that when faced with actual fraudulent votes you have nothing but excuses, deflections, and equivocations.

Why even bring up the McCain side when in another thread the mantra was that REGISTRATIONS don't count....only actual votes?

Then when clearly fraudulent votes are cast it is the "source" and it is "melodrama".

lol

You people are a joke and do not have the courage of your own convictions.

[Lurker]

And you don't have the courage to own up to pushing a biased article that gave an innocent story a sinister spin.

You left out that both campaigns have cast invalid votes. You left out that the prosecutor said that nobody knowingly violated the law.

This story didn't show what you thought it showed. Own up to that fact coward.

[Harlowe]

He's doing that drama queen thing again.

For someone that views Drudge as their daily bible (and that is exactly where you got this article unless you are going to actually claim you read the tabloids for real news, we know it was linked there). I'm surprised that you were silent about the McCain worker that faked an attack by a Barack supporter. Especially since Drudge showcased it before it was vetted.

Actually, no, I am not surprised that you were silent about that. We know damn well that all you'll be posting from this point on are attacks on the Obama camp while completely glossing over anything from the McCain camp. We aren't fools.

[Lurker]

He's doing that drama queen thing again.

Yeah. Question now is whether he stands up for whatever the point of this thread was supposed to be, whether he admits that he got this one wrong, or whether he throws a hissy fit and drops off the boards until the next manufactured outrage.

[Harlowe]

OH NO - now headlining in red caps on Drudge: BIDEN GRILLED BY NEWSCASTER - IS OBAMA A MARXIST??!!!!1111111 OH HELL NO U DIDN - YO SNAAAP BIDEN U WER ASKD TUFF QUESTYN DAWG!!!

That's almost serious. Actually it's mostly serious. The first sentence, is the big read headline.


Next it will be "Biden gets pissed when asked the tough question - does Obama want to molest all children or just the white ones?"

[Lurker]

Ha!

That interview was awesome. Biden was laughing in the face of that wingnut "journalist". The questions were so over-the-top absurd that even Hannity wouldn't have asked them. Well... maybe Hannity would have.

[Harlowe]

Ha!

That interview was awesome. Biden was laughing in the face of that wingnut "journalist". The questions were so over-the-top absurd that even Hannity wouldn't have asked them. Well... maybe Hannity would have.

Yeah here is interview on the 14th with McCain. http://www.wftv.com/video/17712615/index.html

She's known as a neo-con in political news circles there locally and she really does sound like a nut quoting Karl Marx and then asking Biden to respond to that with regard to Obama.

It's obvious Biden & Obama are not afraid of tough questions or Obama wouldn't have gone on O'Reilly. Obama didn't blow off Joe the Plumber and he didn't run away from the woman that yelled "socialist" at him. He tried to engage them in a discussion and thanked them even if they weren't supporting him. He was very respectful to them. In spite of this newscasters behavior, the campaign said it would consider future interviews with the station, they just weren't going to put Jill Biden through it.

[Trollbait]

And you don't have the courage to own up to pushing a biased article that gave an innocent story a sinister spin.

There is nothing innocent about people committing voter fraud. It tells me a lot about you that you think there is. Or maybe that is only when it benefits your side.

You left out that both campaigns have cast invalid votes.

You have linked NOTHING that shows the McCain camp has cast invalid VOTES......only something about registrations...which arent really suppossed to matter, right?

You left out that the prosecutor said that nobody knowingly violated the law.

Link?

This story didn't show what you thought it showed.

I think it showed exactly what I thought it would show. Well.....after your participation in this thread anyway. You and Harlowe are such partisan schills you would defend Jim Crow if it was the 50's. Or if Obama supported it =p

He's doing that drama queen thing again.

Deflection. Have any links or rebuttals to the actual topic? Did not think so. Hard to find them with Lurker's ballsack obscuring the view, huh?

And your last post on this thread is clearly diversionary and an attempt to derail the topic the same as the first thread. So you don't mind if Obama supporters steal votes from the mentally challenged. You dont care if there is evidence that they commit voter fraud. Nope. As long as your guy wins you are completely happy.

If you have rebuttal evidence then link it. If you don't then no amount of covering your ears and posting off topic drivel will change the opinion of this voter.

[Trollbait]

Harlowe you also claim your biggest concern is the privacy of private citizens.

Is this what we can expect from Obama supporters or an Obama administration?

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/lo ... ml?sid=101

Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow

The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.

The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.

"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.

Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.

Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.

On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.

Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.

The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.

The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.

Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.

This is what I mean when I say you lack the courage of your convictions.