Suppress the vote

[Lurker]

My prediction is that the special prosecutor will affirm the findings of the initial investigation; that the Bush administration and Republicans in general politicized the DoJ especially in regards to pushing fake voter fraud cases, and that the firings themselves were improper and politically motivated.

[Kulaf]

My prediction is that the special prosecutor will affirm the findings of the initial investigation; that the Bush administration and Republicans in general politicized the DoJ especially in regards to pushing fake voter fraud cases, and that the firings themselves were improper and politically motivated.

Crimes commited? Charges filed? Come on let's have some specifics.

[Lurker]

Kulaf, I'm sorry that I pointed out how ignorant you are on this topic. You are on record as saying that there's no story here, that they serve at the whim of the President, and that the most that will come out of this is that a special prosecutor will say the firings weren't handled well. Assertions that are already incorrect based on the DOJ report.

Whether the Bush Administration will be successful in stonewalling enough to prevent prosecution I have no idea. We'll have to wait and see. But what we do know already is that everything you've said about this scandal up to this point has been wrong.

[Partha]

Kulaf, the Bill Kristol of Brell Rants?

[Klast Brell]

So. Any actual arrests for fraudulently cast votes?

I'm not talking about registrations.
I'm not talking about the 2 scary black guys standing outside the poling place that made the white republican poop his pants even tho they didn't approach him and did not speak to him until he had started asking them questions.
I'm not talking about felons in prison who registered to vote even tho they were not exactly going to be breaking out of jail on Nov 4.
I'm not talking about some blogger that swears he saw some person come back and vote again later in the day.

I'm talking about anyone at all actually arrested for casting an illegal vote.

[Kulaf]

I don't know.....did they hand examine every single ballot to find out? Machines aren't really good at determining who voted...just counting votes.

[Embar Angylwrath]

C'mon Klast... that's weak, even for you.

If you find a body hacked to pieces, but can't get enough evidence on the suspect to charge them, does that mean a murder wasn't committed?

[Lurker]

A better analogy would be not finding a body but still rounding up hundreds of people and throwing them in jail. Find me the fucking body before you whine about massive voter fraud.

[Embar Angylwrath]

A better analogy would be not finding a body but still rounding up hundreds of people and throwing them in jail. Find me the fucking body before you whine about massive voter fraud.

Anyone thrown in jail for this?

[Lurker]

It's an analogy. Jail would be equivalent to the voter suppression tactics used by the GOP. Let me know if I need to lay it out more clearly for you.

[Kulaf]

This is rich coming from two guys who were all in a tizzy about Diebold machines because some Republican "operative" was going to make them vote for Bush rather than Kerry.

[Lurker]

I've never posted about Diebold.

Partha, Klast, Ddrak, and others have talked about how Diebold can't be trusted because there's no way to verify the vote count. And you know what? Their proposed solutions don't result in voter suppression, they just result in verification of the vote count. Imagine that. A solution that directly addresses a problem without any "unwanted" consequences.

[Ddrak]

The margin was large enough that the issue is basically irrelevant. There's only two states it could have made a difference in, and if you gave them both to McCain he'd still lose.

On Diebold - could be a GOP operative or a Democratic operative. The more likely is a random hacker trying to prove himself to no one in particular. You just need a secure form of recount that was verified by the voter when they voted but isn't stored in an electronic format (ie a printout).

Dd

[Klast Brell]

There is a difference between a fraudulently cast vote and a fraudulently counted vote.

But that is neither here nor there. I'm asking if you can show me any actual fraudulent voter. In the debate McCain warned that we were "now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy." It's pretty hard to cover up something that big.

You were pretty upset before Nov 4. I'm just asking you for evidence that your fears were justified.

[Partha]

You want evidence? The Democrat won, didn't he?