They are required to turn in all registration cards. So if someone wanted to fuck with them, no one could stop it. There have been 13 cases of proven voter fraud between 2002-2005 (I'll look up the last three years) That's 13 votes.
Since 2002, the Justice Department's Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative has, as Gonzales put it, "made enforcement of election fraud and corruption offenses a top priority." And yet between October 2002 and September 2005, just 38 cases were brought nationally, and of those, 14 ended in dismissals or acquittals, 11 in guilty pleas, and 13 in convictions.
How many legit votes have been suppressed though?
An election isn't going to be won nor lost by a handful of bad votes - though it could be by suppressing thousands of people.
As The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder has noted, "none of the fraudulent cards will result in any fraudulent votes being cast." ACORN is required by law to turn in all completed forms collected by their canvassers, even those that are suspicious. For example, fake individuals registered by a rogue ACORN canvasser looking to goose his or her daily totals cannot magically show up to the polls on Nov. 4.
And to follow up on what Harlowe said, nobody has asked for single examples of voter fraud. We've asked for examples of voter fraud that justify the vote supression tactics of the GOP. The GOP is claiming widespread fraud and that is simply not true.
Mickey Mouse is not going to show up at the polls. Who cares how many times he registers.
"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." - Ronald Reagan 1987
I do not think anyone has looked in to it as fully as they are now.
You say 13 cases.......I say 13 that were caught.
I do not see a problem with making sure only legit ballots are cast in an election. There is nothing unreasonable about ensuring the security of our electoral process.
I see in that article that there were at least 4,000 ballots cast by felons in Florida illegally in recent elections. Those cases were not tried nor will they be.
Is 4,000 ballots enough to turn an election.....in Florida.....and is Florida enough to turn an election nationally?
Al Gore would be best equipped to give you an answer on that one.
Jecks wrote:I do not think anyone has looked in to it as fully as they are now.
The Bush DoJ spent years trying to find voter fraud. Alleged voter fraud and the Captain Ahab hunt for it was one of the main issues in the DoJ firings. Years and millions of dollars and they found a handful of cases.
Jecks wrote:I see in that article that there were at least 4,000 ballots cast by felons in Florida illegally in recent elections.
Can you point me to that information? I think you read it wrong.
Lurker wrote:
Can you point me to that information? I think you read it wrong.
More than 30,000 Florida felons who by law should have been stripped of their right to vote remain registered to cast ballots in this presidential battleground state, a Sun Sentinel investigation has found.
Many are faithful voters, with at least 4,900 turning out in past elections.
They looked back 26 years to get that number, but yeah, it's a problem. The solution lies somewhere between purging tens of thousands of valid voters from the rolls (which clearly affected the election in 2000) and between not purging anyone.
See, this is why well-intentioned (I'm assuming they are) groups like ACORN, just add to the problem. People should be educated so they know how to vote, even helped if they need it to get to their voting precinct - but NOT to have a third party collecting them for people.
I'm not sure if it would have helped in that particular case, but I don't like third parties involved in something as important as an election. I don't want to see thousands of people purged that shouldn't be either.
Since we've already shown that ACORN the organization isn't guilty of fraud I'm not sure what your point is.
The right wing gets a hard-on about alleged voter registration fraud every two years. Sometimes a random worker here or there is indicted for turning in false registrations. Woop-de-do.
What exactly are you alleging by pointing out that Obama did some leadership training for ACORN in 1990? Or are you just passing on stuff you heard again?
In 1995, Mr. Obama was on a team of lawyers that represented Acorn in a lawsuit to compel Illinois to comply with federal laws intended to enhance access to the polls. The team also represented Equip for Equality, a group that promotes the rights of the disabled, and four individuals.
Lewis Goldberg, a spokesman for Acorn, said Mr. Obama conducted two leadership training sessions of roughly an hour each for Acorn’s Chicago affiliate over a three-year period in the late 1990s. He was not paid for that work, Mr. Goldberg said.
After graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago.
If you're gonna say 1990, may as well say 1990's and at least be vaguely right.
The motiviation is that if they don't register enough people, they don't keep the job. People seen to not be doing their job don't generally get to keep it, since ACORN isn't the Bob Nardelli Employment Agency.
Well, it’s the Super-Monroe Doctrine: “Get off our oil, people who dress funny!” - M. Bouffant
"You're a bad captain, Zarde. People like you only learn by being touched, and hard. And you will greatly disapprove of where these men put their hands." - M. Vanderbeam.
I read that too but it's not the case. They have no quotas. Partha spelled out one possible motivation even without a quota. Laziness would be another.
Fallakin,
I'm still not sure what you are alleging. I'm guessing you aren't either.
