Obama has talent!

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Yeah. I was wrong.

Thanks for that and credit where credit is due, but I think it's more accurate to say you were lied to by the McCain campaign.

[Rsak]

I don't think you can classify it now as harmless, but I believe it was not intentionally harmful. The metaphor has been used numbers of times, but the way he used it was a poor choice that led to this whole debacle.

[Lurker]

The metaphor has been used numbers of times, but the way he used it was a poor choice that led to this whole debacle.

Bullshit. I posted his full quote and he used the metaphor the exact same way everyone uses the metaphor. He in no way called Palin a pig. Any outrage over his statement is fake and the McCain campaign is lying when they say it was sexist and directed at Palin.

Hey Fallakin, where's that list of policy differences between Bush and McCain? We're still waiting.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Hey Fallakin, where's that list of policy differences between Bush and McCain? We're still waiting.

You're still waiting, and frankly I already know there's no changing your seemingly retarded mind.

[Rsak]

Lurker,

You posted his rebuttal, not the original. Obama was comparing the candidates as he repeats that McCain campaign is the same as the Bush administration.

When Obama previously used the metaphor he was talking about war policy and when McCain used it he was talking about a health care package. Obama's mistake was using the wording that he did when talking about candidates which can easily be inferred to be a slam against Palin. I accept that he did not intend it that way, but the fault is his own since it was avoidable.

And your claims that the outrage is fake is complete and utter lies. Were it such a twisting of words then Obama would not have received such a reaction by his own crowd. There were some there who thought it was a slam at Palin, just as some republicans would honestly feel outrage for it.

The crowd rose and applauded, some of later telling reporters that they thought Obama had been alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."

I don't deny the McCain campaign took advantage of it, but it was a misstep of Obama that he had to clarify. It is no different from any other political campaign.

Edit:
Obama certainly isn't doing much to help the situation..

"Keep in mind, technically, had I meant it this way, [Palin] would be the lipstick. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig, just following the logic of this illogical situation," Obama said.

[Lurker]

You posted his rebuttal, not the original.

I posted both.

And your claims that the outrage is fake is complete and utter lies. Were it such a twisting of words then Obama would not have received such a reaction by his own crowd. There were some there who thought it was a slam at Palin, just as some republicans would honestly feel outrage for it.

Everyone knows the McCain sexism outrage is fake and manufactured. I'm not sure how you were able to get in the heads of the crowd and know why they reacted, but it seems to me that the crowd would react when Obama eviscerates McCains fake change rhetoric. Had nothing to do with Palin.

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Fallakin, Harlowe and Ddrak are waiting too.

[Rsak]

I'm not sure how you were able to get in the heads of the crowd and know why they reacted, but it seems to me that the crowd would react when Obama eviscerates McCains fake change rhetoric. Had nothing to do with Palin.

I didn't have to get into their head. Read the damn quote I provided for you where it says they thought it was a slam on Palin.

[Klast Brell]

Speaking as a commie liberal I see a blend of the 2 positions. He was not calling Palin a pig. He was talking about McCain's policy speeches as being the lipstick on the pig that is the Bush agenda. But he was definitely making a sarcastic reference to her statement as well. I could also see it as him referring to the McCain campaign a young attractive face on the mind of an extreme right winger with insufficient government experience. The same could be said if Palin was an attractive young man.

But it's still funny to see all the barking conservatives howling that the liberals are not being politically correct.

[Harlowe]

This is so fucking ridiculous. The bottom line is that THIS LIPSTICK SHIT ISN'T A FUCKING ISSUE. It's a diversion from the real issues and problems this country faces. What the hell is wrong with people. Good lord Rsak you look like more of a buffoon that usual, which is saying quite a bit.

Who gives a fuck about the timing of the statement. It's a metaphor that is constantly used in politics by all of them and this walking around on eggshells with regard to Palin just because she has a fucking vagina is ridiculous. You didn't see people getting their briefs in a bunch over how Hillary has been treated. Palin should be vetted intensely by the press & public right now, and they are hiding her - that makes this all a great heaping pile of bullshit that is going to do this country no good what so ever. She should be put through the damn ringer like EVERYONE else, not treated like some pathetic, weakling that needs to be protected from the big bad press. Hell if she can't handle the damn press she can't handle being VP let alone close to being commander-in-chief.

Posting the Daily Show bit on "gender" again.....because honestly, people are so goddamn ridiculous and hypocritical
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index ... ender-card

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Fallakin, Harlowe and Ddrak are waiting too.

Unlike you they haven't posted anything in the past week that would make it seem as though they care that much.

[Harlowe]

I don't really care, but I'm curious why some people are in absolute denial over the actual politcal issues and stances. I just thought it was pointless to post anything because I'm certain you can't answer the question. If you could, you would have responded already.

[Lurker]

And I just like pointing out that he can't respond.

[Ddrak]

I think McCain running Palin as a VP is definitely lipstick on a pig (and I know Obama didn't say that, but I will). Appears to be working, though whether the polling numbers will hang around until November is anyone's guess.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Dd

[Rsak]

Get the fuck over yourself Harlowe. I never said it was a valid issue, only that it was a mistake by Obama. I never claimed there was malice in it and certainly acknowledge the media is running with it.

Who gives a fuck about the timing of the statement. It's a metaphor that is constantly used in politics by all of them and this walking around on eggshells with regard to Palin just because she has a fucking vagina is ridiculous.

Never said anything about the timing. The simple fact of the matter is Lurker is lying when he says that the outrage or celebration over the remark is false. Some people from both sides saw the remark as targeting Palin. I am not one of them, but I can't let Lurker get away with even more lies.

[Garrdor]

Heart attacks for McCain!

[Harlowe]

I never said it was a valid issue, only that it was a mistake by Obama. I never claimed there was malice in it and certainly acknowledge the media is running with it.

You harping on it begs to differ.

[Lurker]

The simple fact of the matter is Lurker is lying when he says that the outrage or celebration over the remark is false. Some people from both sides saw the remark as targeting Palin. I am not one of them, but I can't let Lurker get away with even more lies.

HA!!

So you are saying that even on careful reflection the McCain campaign sees remarks that were clearly not aimed at Palin as being a sexist attack on Palin? Sorry, just not possible. Look how carefully they alter the context of Obama's statement when they talk about it. Look at the ad they tried to run that was so deceptive they were forced to pull it. That doesn't happen by accident.

Fake controversy is to be expected, of course, from the party that has absolutely no record to run on.

[Tarfang_Trubasher]

The bottom line is that THIS LIPSTICK SHIT ISN'T A FUCKING ISSUE. It's a diversion from the real issues and problems this country faces.

I completely agree. There are a lot of people, I think, that are growing sick of the smear. We're in a "bad time" and the issues need to garner more focus.

Who gives a fuck about the timing of the statement. It's a metaphor that is constantly used in politics by all of them and this walking around on eggshells with regard to Palin just because she has a fucking vagina is ridiculous...Hell if she [Palin] can't handle the damn press she can't handle being VP let alone close to being commander-in-chief.

I don't think Obama said this as a slight to Palin, let me just put that here. The timing is a factor, however. He did pause quite a long time. The people did cheer which applied deeper meaning to his statement. They "got the joke." Being full aware of the "lipsticked pig" phrase, it didn't have the same impact on me. It does seem, however, a different phrase could have/should have been used. After all, Palin did make a lipstick joke, that people remember. This is more of a preparation thing. As for Palin, I don't think she has negatively reacted to the media, outside of her little jabs. She at least gives the appearance of letting it roll off her back. She's faced more politically/personally damning press than being likened to a pig with lipstick.

To reinforce the point -- GET BACK TO THE ISSUES!!

-TF

[Harlowe]

How would you know if she's just letting it roll off her back, she isn't talking to the media. She's not doing interviews.

[Rsak]

Oh really, if i was harping on it you would see me post like Embar and start this kind of thread. Instead I made one post where I said it was not intended for Palin, but it was a mistake by Obama because this thing grew legs. My harping is only at Lurker making flat out lies, and here you go perpetuating it.

So you are saying that even on careful reflection the McCain campaign sees remarks that were clearly not aimed at Palin as being a sexist attack on Palin?

No you fool, I am saying that some people from both the Democratic side and the Republican side saw the remark as a negative attack against Palin. The McCain campaign grabbed the issue and ran with it because Obama made the mistake of saying something that could be interpreted in more then one way. It is no different from the Obama campaign claiming Palin was for the Bridge to Nowhere first and then against it later because both are non issues, only sound bites.