Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix

[Harlowe]

I really enjoyed this one, probably more so than the others (especially the first few that pretty much blew donkey). This certainly isn't what I'd consider a "kiddie flick". It's pretty dark and oppressive...and I love that. I also enjoyed that it's missing a lot of the Harry-angsty shit from the book.

The special effects were impressive as always and the Ministry of Magic scenes stunning - as were the big wand fights. Great supporting cast, including the addition of Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange.

[superwalrus]

loved it, absolutely loved it. Great movie.

So, whats the connection with Voldemort and Harry? Are they related or something? Is Voldemort like his Uncle? Or his real father? They kind of alluded to them having some connection or whatever. Anyway, go see it.

Walrus

[Ddrak]

So, whats the connection with Voldemort and Harry?

Two connections (that we know of):

i) Voldemort was almost killed by Harry when his killing spell backfired at the time he killed Harry's parents.
ii) Voldemort used Harry's blood to regenerate his body at the end of the 4th movie.

Dd

[superwalrus]

also the Prophecy connects them.

Walrus

[Kulaf]

Harry is also a parselmouth.......a trait he got from V when the spell backfired.

[superwalrus]

this wasn't really what I'm asking for... I was asking the people that read book 6 or whatever. In the 5th movie the uh (bad guy from the Patriot) was saying to Potter that he could reveal the connection between Harry and Voldemort if only he could look at the prophecy. I know everything that has been said in the first 5 films, I'm looking for 6-7 info.

Walrus

[Ddrak]

The 6th book barely touches on the prophecy. Voldemort only wants the full prophecy because he doesn't know what the first part of it is, and nor do any of his followers. The thing is, it's really nothing relevant - the only link via the prophecy is that Voldemort *believes* Harry is the one it refers to.

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[Select]

So, whats the connection with Voldemort and Harry? Are they related or something? Is Voldemort like his Uncle? Or his real father? They kind of alluded to them having some connection or whatever. Anyway, go see it.

Read the books, you dork!

Harry and Voldemort can also sometimes feel what the other is feeling and Harry has seen visions of what Voldemort is doing in his dreams.
Voldemort also used to be unable to touch Harry without feeling pain, but he can now that he used some of Harry's blood to recreate his body.
Voldemort and Harry also have nearly identically made wands. I believe there is only one difference.
And of course, Harry's scar hurts when he's near Voldemort or Voldemort is feeling angry or powerful.
Parselmouth is a person who can speak to serpents for anyone who doesn't know.
All this may or may not play into the prophecy.

On the movie, my sister had a chance to see it and says that when... a certain character dies... they didn't show enough of him in the movie so the death didn't hit as hard.

I think it hits harder in the book because the book has large portions that develop this character and show his feelings and thoughts. Like how he's normally depressed, longing for freedom and how he's overjoyed to have visitors during Christmas then it's back to feeling reckless and trapped when he can't help. Those help to grow a stronger connection to the character.

[Kulaf]

Isn't one of the prevailing lines of thought that Neville Longbottom is really the child in the prophesy?

[Rsak]

Actually I think the issue is that Voldemort is self fulfilling the prophecy and forcing it on Harry because of his belief.

[Ddrak]

Isn't one of the prevailing lines of thought that Neville Longbottom is really the child in the prophesy?

No. Both Harry and Neville could have filled the role described in the prophecy but in trying to kill Harry and not Neville, Voldemort essentially "chose" which one it would be.

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[superwalrus]

Harry and Voldemort can also sometimes feel what the other is feeling and Harry has seen visions of what Voldemort is doing in his dreams.
Voldemort also used to be unable to touch Harry without feeling pain, but he can now that he used some of Harry's blood to recreate his body.
Voldemort and Harry also have nearly identically made wands. I believe there is only one difference.
And of course, Harry's scar hurts when he's near Voldemort or Voldemort is feeling angry or powerful.
Parselmouth is a person who can speak to serpents for anyone who doesn't know.
All this may or may not play into the prophecy.

Once again, I KNOW ALL OF THIS. The (bad guy from the Patriot) alluded to there being more than just this.

Walrus

[Harlowe]

Harry and Voldemort can also sometimes feel what the other is feeling and Harry has seen visions of what Voldemort is doing in his dreams.
Voldemort also used to be unable to touch Harry without feeling pain, but he can now that he used some of Harry's blood to recreate his body.
Voldemort and Harry also have nearly identically made wands. I believe there is only one difference.
And of course, Harry's scar hurts when he's near Voldemort or Voldemort is feeling angry or powerful.
Parselmouth is a person who can speak to serpents for anyone who doesn't know.
All this may or may not play into the prophecy.

Once again, I KNOW ALL OF THIS. The (bad guy from the Patriot) alluded to there being more than just this.

Walrus

I don't think anything more has been revealed yet - if I were to predict something, I think Harry (or his scar) contains the last Horcrux though and possibly Voldmort's or his mother's spell put it there.

[Ddrak]

The (bad guy from the Patriot) alluded to there being more than just this.

That's my point - Voldemort *thinks* there's more, but he doesn't really know because he never heard the prophecy. Voldemort *thinks* that knowing the rest of the prophesy will give him the clues he needs to get rid of his enemies, but he's wrong - the prophesy is essentially worthless and only coming to fruition because Voldemort believes it.

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[Yotomishi Atashi]

I watched it last night. I am generally pleased with the movie, great acting, excellent special effects and sets. I enjoyed the final fight scene, good to finally see some serious magic in a movie like that.

I was a little displeased with the way they altered the essential storyline, but going in knowing things will be changed and not exactly to the book the let down was only minor. There were several critical encounters that were in the book that they chose to pass up, which was unfortunate, would have made the story in whole, much better.

I think this was their best adaptation of a book yet.

[Alluveal]

Hot damn, that movie ROCKED. I liked it better than all of the other movies. It was more seamless in the directing, imho. And the wand dueling rocked ass. Dumbledore kicks it!

I didn't think they spent enough time really covering Snape and how he was treated when he was younger, though. Glad they touched on it, but would have liked to see more of that. I think that really helps develop him more as a character.

[Select]

Great movie standing on its own. I ruined it completely by finishing the 5th book a second time the night before I saw it. Stupid move. I had the fresh image of the book in my mind conflicting with the movie. I kept thinking this is wrong, this should be here, where's that part?

But, pushing all that out of my mind, it was a great movie. Screw the effects (which were great) the cast makes the movie.

I'll just make sure I'm nowhere near the books for the next two movies.

[Harlowe]

I would never read the book right before the movie....for any screen adaption of a book. You just ruin the movie looking for things to happen or things to be said, rather than taking it in on it's own. You set yourself up to nitpick it.

[Select]

Exactly. It didn't occur to me until I was finishing the book. I had never read something right before the movie.

[Rsak]

Could be worse.. could be in the middle of the book while watching the movie. I did that with Jurassic Park, never again.