Clan Ascension Jumps Fear raid

Edyil Crossfire · Post by **Edyil Crossfire** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 3:24 pm

They went in around 5am EST. That about sums up the facts. Early this morning they went in and took down the epic mobs, jumping my raid. They basically cleared out the zone. I sent a tell to one of the officers (Garwyn) to ask why and his response was

"Well I needed a quest item so we went in. I left before they took down the epic mobs."

I guess that was supposed to clear him of any wrong doing. Well here is a little something for you: Fuck you. You bunch of cum burping dickheads. You fucking assholes make me sick. I work my ass off to set up this shit and run it, just to have fucking pricks like you run over us. Well Fuck off and die, you shit stains.

Go play in traffic, you rotten fuckers.

Thulseh · Post by **Thulseh** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 3:45 pm

They went in at 5am and your raid was scheduled to start at 6pm. Isn't mob respawn time in Fear 12 hours?

Maxxam Waxxam · Post by **Maxxam Waxxam** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 3:54 pm

Hey Edyil, there's no need for a rant. I RARELY even LOOK at this Rant board cause I dont like to deal with negativity. But since you had to come to MY guild's site and personally ATTACK us for for a misunderstanding, I felt I had to defend CA. First of all, we did not start that raid at 5am, it was started HOURS before that because someone else who had it scheduled didn't carry through with it, so if anyone's to be blamed, CONTACT ME PERSONALLY, NOT MY GUILD!! It was a last minute raid which went VERY well, and I'm glad to have helped some other peeps reclaim their bodies in there. There's no need to degrade my guild's name like this, we have a reputation for being an honest guild and i WILL NOT see you tarnish it by ranting us. If you have beef with CA, please be a man or woman and send me a tell in game or an email personally and lets discuss it like well mannered peeps. Thank you

Edyil Crossfire · Post by **Edyil Crossfire** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 3:57 pm

We spoke with LotS and they did not give you the raid. You are not on the reservation list anywhere. You jumped the raid. You took down the epics that you didnt sign up for. You are a piece of crap, regardless of what you think your guild stands for.

Enrichwar · Post by **Enrichwar** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:00 pm

I could be wrong here, but once a raid leaves the planes, they are pretty much up forgrab as long as the next people leave in time for the next raid to start, and have the armor mobs repoped?

And i do also believe that the reservation only guarantees you Armor mobs, not epic mobs or bosses.

Maxxam Waxxam · Post by **Maxxam Waxxam** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:04 pm

Edyil, maybe i didn't make my self clear on one thing....The Pick up raid ENDED around 5am, I DID NOT START IT AT 5AM!! The spawn time is STILL in your favor, so WHY are you bent on being immature about this? The Golems will pop by the time you start. Furthermore, calm down with the name callings please, no need to disrespect, this is a game

Harlowe · Post by **Harlowe** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:08 pm

I don't believe golems are on a 12hour timer, but the fact remains you can not "reserve" epic mobs. As long as your armor mobs were up by raid time, they really didn't do anything wrong.

Reservations only reserve armor mobs, not epic mobs. It's been that way for a long time now.

Edyil Crossfire · Post by **Edyil Crossfire** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:23 pm

I agree Harlowe. However, I want a fair shot just like everyone else. The fact remains they had zero business being there on the 20th. None. They didnt reserve Fear for that date. We did. I stand in line just like everyone else to get a shot at epics and armor mobs. Those fuckheads took that away by running in and taking what wasnt theirs.

Fuck you Maxxam. You asshole. You are just another entitlement whore that thinks the rules dont apply to you.

Enrichwar · Post by **Enrichwar** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:29 pm

Edyil, you should really re-read your posts befor you start calling anyone an entitlement whore.

There is no rules against them doing what they did, and it has been happening for as long as i can rember. Looks to me that your just pissed off someone came and took something you felt entitled to you.

Talaena · Post by **Talaena** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:34 pm

/repeatedly flips the lights off and on chanting "fight fight fight"

Golems are 3 day timer, if not more. Never have been reservable. always a point of contention.

/flips the lights a couple more times.

Post by **Ddrak** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:44 pm

As long as the armor mobs were respawned by the time your raid was scheduled they did nothing wrong. They don't need your permission or anyone else's permission to be there. Epic mobs (golems) are not, and never have been, part of the reservations.

If they take the initiative, see the epic mobs up and have the time to kill them and get out before the respawn time for your raid then good for them. If you want your entitlement whore whine that someone beat you to epic mobs then you're welcome to do just that - whine. Don't expect too much to come of it.

I can confirm they had all but finished by around 4EST.

Dd

Araden · Post by **Araden** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:50 pm

Reserving fear entitles you to armor mobs only. If CA's raid ended at 5am and your raid starts at 6pm.. they did nothing wrong, that's 13 hrs between when their raid ended and youraid to start.

Epic mobs / CT / whatever it's all FFA so long as armor mobs for the next scheduled raid are not interefered with.

Believe this is as old as fire giant reservations, heh.

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 5:59 pm

Y'know what? I'm going to lump this in with the other fucking thread about the reservation system and point out something rather important:

If the reservation system is only for armor mobs and not for epics, then what the fuck are reservation systems really good for? There is nothing for higher level guilds to reserve the planes for, and both of these groups were clearly only after epic mobs. If the Reservations aren't designed to reserve a whole zone for someone incoming, that I think it frankly shows how you entitlement whore cocksuckers can wave the PNP around and get what you want.

And Ddrak? Fuck you. The Armor Mobs are not the end all be all of the fucking planes and you KNOW IT! But you want to defend this kind of shit, which is, QUITE FRANKLY, INCONSIDERATE behavior towards another raid or guild and call Edyil and all other people who are after their epics entitlement whores?

Piss off you honky PNP flag waving precum guzzling hemeroid infested assmaster!

That is all. Flame away.

Jaradis Stormcaller · Post by **Jaradis Stormcaller** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:05 pm

The fact remains they had zero business being there on the 20th. None. They didnt reserve Fear for that date. We did. I stand in line just like everyone else to get a shot at epics and armor mobs. Those fuckheads took that away by running in and taking what wasnt theirs.

Sorry Edyil, but you are wrong. You have no claim on epic mobs period. Your reservation is only for the armor mobs. They had every right to go in after that days raid was over to kill whatever is up, as long as sufficient time is allowed for respawn of armor mobs, which is appears they easily did.

Talaena · Post by **Talaena** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:08 pm

It may or may not be inconsiderate, I personally think it is. it's been apart of the rules since it's fucking inception. deal with it.

It's like deja vu. I feel I need to bash Ross Perot or something.

Jaradis Stormcaller · Post by **Jaradis Stormcaller** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:09 pm

If the reservation system is only for armor mobs and not for epics, then what the fuck are reservation systems really good for? There is nothing for higher level guilds to reserve the planes for, and both of these groups were clearly only after epic mobs.

The reservations on the planes were kept to allow those younger guilds that actually would use the armor to be able to have the time to organize and plan a raid. It was a compromise between those higher guilds wanting epic items and the lower level guilds wanting the armor. Each can get what they want with some cooperation. The problem is some guilds attempt to abuse that system of cooperation by trying to reserve the zone in an attempt to reserve the epic items.

If no one wants to raid fear for the armor anymore then we can very easily just remove the reservations all together.

Post by **Ddrak** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:38 pm

Zany,

If the reservation system is only for armor mobs and not for epics, then what the fuck are reservation systems really good for?

Their only purpose is to allow lower end guilds to have the time to plan a raid on armor mobs while at the same time allowing higher end guilds to raid the planes at will as long as those armor mobs are guaranteed to be up when the guild with the reservation goes in.

There is nothing for higher level guilds to reserve the planes for, and both of these groups were clearly only after epic mobs.

Which means they fight over the epic mobs on a FCFS basis - just like every other mob in the game. As long as the reservation on the armor mobs is met then there's no reason to rant. You are not entitled to the epic mobs. In fact you are not entitled to anything in EQ. You have to work for it.

If the Reservations aren't designed to reserve a whole zone for someone incoming, that I think it frankly shows how you entitlement whore cocksuckers can wave the PNP around and get what you want.

No. The only person claiming they are "entitled" to something are those backing the reservations. You clearly don't understand the argument or even the meaning of the word "entitlement" if you are trying to call someone who advocates FCFS raiding rules an "entitlement whore" simply because the foundation of FCFS is the tenant that no one is entitled to anything.

If you've misunderstood the reservation system then don't blame the people who do understand it for your lack of knowledge. Learn from it and move on.

The Armor Mobs are not the end all be all of the fucking planes and you KNOW IT!

Yes, I do know it. That's why I think Clan Ascension should be commended for taking the initiative and getting the golems while they were FCFS. They should be commended for also having the courtesy to do so within the rules laid out by the community and leaving the armor mobs up for Edyil's reserved raid as required.

But you want to defend this kind of shit, which is, QUITE FRANKLY, INCONSIDERATE behavior towards another raid or guild and call Edyil and all other people who are after their epics entitlement whores?

How is it inconsiderate to kill a FCFS mob when it's up? If Naggy's up and someone kills him then is it inconsiderate because someone else may have wanted him in 8 hours? Quite frankly the only inconsiderate people here are those throwing a hissy fit because they weren't organized enough to raid a mob while it was up and instead demanded that mob be left alone by everyone else on the server for their own personal loot.

I call people who think they are entitled to an epic mob because they sign up for the armor mobs entitlement whores. I call people who see the epic mob up and take it down while leaving time for the armor mobs to respawn considerate and taking the initiative.

When it comes down to it, there's only one group of people claiming "entitlement" and that's the ones bitching cause they weren't fast enough to get a mob that everyone in the game has an equal right to attack.

Dd

Jadelin Iceheart · Post by **Jadelin Iceheart** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:10 pm

Hmm, let's see.

Dd - Calm reasoning

Zany - Frantic ravings

Even though I think it's an inconsiderate thing to do, they weren't in error within the rules of the reservation system. And right now I'm inclined to agree the system is becoming outdated, even though I remember arguing strongly for in the past.

Awea · Post by **Awea** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:14 pm

You mean back when epics were semi-challanging, needing an organized guild and not just being a time sink?

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:58 pm

If no one wants to raid fear for the armor anymore then we can very easily just remove the reservations all together.

Then do it. I dont know ANY guild out there that seriously needs the armor mobs. In fact, you could argue that nobody really needs the armor mobs, since there are those out there who think that "needing" armor mobs amounts to a certain type of entitlement whoring.

Their only purpose is to allow lower end guilds to have the time to plan a raid on armor mobs while at the same time allowing higher end guilds to raid the planes at will as long as those armor mobs are guaranteed to be up when the guild with the reservation goes in.

Yes, but even lower end guilds dont need armor mobs. When someone is reserving a zone, to me, they're reserving the zone. Not just armor mobs, which allows jack fuck anybody to waltz in and take what ISNT an armor mob. A Reservation should be for the whole enchalada, period. But you seem to think that OTHERS have some sort of entitlement to the those Epic mobs too. So fine, lets end the hypocrisy, both sides are basically greedy fucks. One side wants to reserve an entire home and hog it to themselves, and other people want to come in and piss in their cheerios, waving around the FCFS and PNP to get what they want. One is following Sony's rules, and One is following a player made agreement that we've all tried to adhere to. So there you have it, two groups of complete greedy fucks, but you're always going to be right because you have Sony on your side. Fine, but to me, breaking the agreed ruleset makes you an inconsiderate fuck, and no less an entitlement whore then me.

Which means they fight over the epic mobs on a FCFS basis - just like every other mob in the game. As long as the reservation on the armor mobs is met then there's no reason to rant. You are not entitled to the epic mobs. In fact you are not entitled to anything in EQ. You have to work for it.

This is what I find laughable, your definition of "you have to work for it" and mine seem to be completely different. If you make any effort at all to go get your epic, to me you deserve the motherfucker. The quests may not be all that tough to some of you, but they're pretty damn difficult for some other people without the power and resources. You can toot your own horn all day long, Ddrak, but you know you're a good player, and you play at a higher level then other people. Therefore, something like an Epic quest isn't important to you. I've put a lot of time into my epic. If I found out UDB was up, organized a raid, went down there, and was getting ready to do the mob when some other group of 6 level 65 Watchers (as an example of power difference) comes along, turns in first, engages first, kills first, gets item, gets epic first, then all I'm supposed to do is cry about it. I can't do shit because the powerhouse beat me to it. The PNP is on your side in the matter, because thats how you want to play the game. I, however, would feel cheated, I would be angry, and I would probably come here and rant your ass, then get shot down by everybody else saying the PNP is right, your group is right, and I can can go spit. But y'know what? To me you'd still suck and you would become worse then an entitlement whore, you'd be an elitist fucker.

And thats what the PNP is, a way for you elitist fuckers to get what you want and let Sony foot the blame. Am I saying YOU would do it, or your guild? Hardly, I'm pointing no fingers at anybody. I used your guild as an example of someone powerful who could do that. But others would, and they wouldn't give a crap what kind of work I did to go down there to get it. I would have busted my ass to get people ready, organized, down there, and set, and get nothing.

No. The only person claiming they are "entitled" to something are those backing the reservations. You clearly don't understand the argument or even the meaning of the word "entitlement" if you are trying to call someone who advocates FCFS raiding rules an "entitlement whore" simply because the foundation of FCFS is the tenant that no one is entitled to anything.

So what you're trying to say is that the reservation system and those who back it are only entitlement whore out for their own gain? And then are trying to tell me that people who like FCFS because they can do it better then others aren't entitlement whores out for their own gain? Lemme expound. The lower end gamers and users would feel "entitled" to that mob/zone because otherwise they may not ever get a shot at it, or feel they might not ever. And the higher end gamers and users would feel "entitled" to that mob/zone because they dont WANT to have to wait while someone else has it reserved. I'm sorry you can't see this, but its greed on both ends.

Yes, I do know it. That's why I think Clan Ascension should be commended for taking the initiative and getting the golems while they were FCFS. They should be commended for also having the courtesy to do so within the rules laid out by the community and leaving the armor mobs up for Edyil's reserved raid as required.

Edyil calls it reservation jumping, you call it initiative to be commended. Well, y'know, I wonder how you'd feel if the point of the raid was to get those epic mobs, only to have them snared out from under you by a raid 12 hours previous, after you'd gone to so much trouble to set things up like that. Yes yes, reservations aren't for anything but armor mobs, which is, of course, why nobody who has reservations ever does anything BUT the armor mobs..

How is it inconsiderate to kill a FCFS mob when it's up? If Naggy's up and someone kills him then is it inconsiderate because someone else may have wanted him in 8 hours? Quite frankly the only inconsiderate people here are those throwing a hissy fit because they weren't organized enough to raid a mob while it was up and instead demanded that mob be left alone by everyone else on the server for their own personal loot.

Your analgy sucks. A more proper analogy would be a raid on Sol B's Fire Giants was reserved but people cacked Nagafen 8 hours previous when you'd planned on taking him down, as a main part of your raid. And listen to your elitist bullshit. Yes, they couldn't organize fast enough, because they had a set raid time for everybody involved in the raid to be there. If there's a downfall to the reservation systems, its exactly this kind of thing occuring. You KNOW when they're going in with a minor bit of research, so all you have to do is walk right in and kill what you want, just make sure they get their precious armor mobs spawned back up before their time! But epic mobs? Nah, they dont deserve those because we want them NOW.

Yeah, that aint greedy either. Aint inconsiderate either. Doesn't really seem to be a nice thing to do to someone else's raid does it? But Lord Allmighty gave us the PNP and the Reservations Systems says they're not entitled to the Epic mobs so sheeucks pardners! Lets get us some Golems!

I call people who think they are entitled to an epic mob because they sign up for the armor mobs entitlement whores. I call people who see the epic mob up and take it down while leaving time for the armor mobs to respawn considerate and taking the initiative.

I call people who think they're entitled to epic mobs because they found ways to weasel around the systems to get what they want, as long as those darned armor mobs respawn, entitlement whores. I call people who throw around the FCFS and PNP to justify their indecent behavior and respect towards other guilds "elitist snobs", or "fuckers" if you will, while leaving those oh so precious armor mobs behind.

When it comes down to it, there's only one group of people claiming "entitlement" and that's the ones bitching cause they weren't fast enough to get a mob that everyone in the game has an equal right to attack.

What it comes down to, is that both philosophies of thought are nothiing more then greedy "I want this" fucks. The problem is you've got all the rules on your side and have decided that the game and the experience is better served to those who can get it first, isntead of having a little bit of respect and diplomacy between guilds. You seem to think that the whole world should belong to you just because you can get to it first, and be damned anybody else who just isn't quite as fast as you are. And you seem to think that other guilds and raids and such can suck your nuts as long as you engaged the mob first.

Its a god damned sad shame what this server has become. Everybodys an entitlement whore, some just hide behind the PNP.

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