WoW or EQ2

Post by **Ddrak** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:49 am

Riggen,

Just to start - no system is up to spec for EQ2 at the moment. It was designed with 5GHz+ CPUs and vid cards about 4-8x the performance of an x850 in mind (just like EQ1 was designed with far more in mind than the Voodoo2s that were available at the time). Basically Sony see it as a product with a long life and designed for the future.

What puzzles me is your claim that there's no "banking" in EQ2 griffon rides. There most definitely is banking. Perhaps you are thrown off by the fact the camera banks with the griffon? If you want, I can do a FRAPS capture from a ride on my system to show you, but like I said I did a flight myself to look at what you were claiming and mostly agreed. Given that I play 99% of the time in first person view I'd never really paid attention to the griffon itself in the flights as I simply couldn't see it.

I am not trying to claim that EQ2's griffon rides are as good as WoW's, nor am I claiming that the dances are as good. What I am claiming is that each game exceeds the other in certain areas. I find the vast breadth of combat, casting and social animations in EQ2 (all of which are motion captured and not exaggerated cartoonesque moves) to be the most subjectively appealing feature. I enjoy the fact that I can walk through the cities and hear people talking to me and not just have lines of text in a chat window. I like seeing the vast variety of different social animations play out on NPCs - especially mobs that are kos but way below your level cringing away from you and refusing to engage.

Running down your list, which was pretty comprehensive:

Everyday running around - comparable. Agreed.
Emotes - EQ2 has more, but WoW has the "important" ones covered. WoW probably has more racial customization.
Melee Combat - Comparable. I've not seen enough "whoa" stuff on WoW to comment, so will take your word there.
Spell fx/animations - EQ2 pulls ahead. Sony obviously spent a *lot* of resources working on these.
Non-mocap - WoW pulls ahead. Sony's dependance on mocap does show.

You know - I think we mostly agree.

(My system is running much better now that I discovered for some reason I'd cranked the "quality" settings way up in the driver)

Dd

Thoric the Mad · Post by **Thoric the Mad** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:13 pm

Talan, you goob! Get your ass over to Proudmoore and play with us!

Hey Beeker!

As to the rest of you, I'm not going to get into a "reasonable" discussion over the various "merits" of the two games. EQ2 has none.

The sales and play figures alone tell you that the market has decided the winner here pretty conclusively. I don't even have to make the argument because those of you who don't enjoy having bamboo shoots shoved into your urethra will be playing WoW before too long.

Post by **Ddrak** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:03 pm

Damn. Never would have picked Thoric for a clueless fanboy.

Wanna smack with a cluestick? Find me the official sales or play numbers for EQ2. Oh yeah - Sony doesn't release numbers. Face it - you're making up "facts" in an effort to justify your own weak position. You make lame-ass personal attacks because you don't have the balls to discuss merits and you make dumbass generalisations to make your personal decision somehow superior.

Unfortunately for your inbred bias, WoW and EQ2 are both excellent games and despite your uninformed rhetoric neither is likely to fade in the near future.

Sorry, but your post is a waste of bandwidth. Try again when you have something intelligent to say.

Dd

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:04 pm

Sorry Thoric but the world does not revolve around your view of what constitutes a merirt or not. There are people that are playing EQ2 and there are people that are enjoying it.

To try to denegrate those who have made a different choice then you based upon different criteria is just asinine!

IquredashBlakheart · Post by **IquredashBlakheart** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:53 pm

I'm lovein WoW more and more every day.. The other day I was chillin, and all the sudden about 35 fkin Horde majority 30+ ran up on a city in a contested area, and started raiding it, within about 10mins there was about 15 Alliance there but mainly low, so I called in 2 people from my guild, we posted up and started pushing back the Horde, we pushed them all the way back to there city, and went to killin them evil ass over powered guards to try and drive em out..

What im getting to here is you dont have to have to have Uber_weapon_01 to be bad ass at this game, all it takes is knowing your class, I play a druid and its said Druid can never beat a Rogue yada yada, never beat a shaman yada yada, I've owned both higher lvl than me.. we had a group of a 35 Druid, 32 Hunter, and a 32 Druid ( me ), now we wherent doing it all, there was about 15-20 other alliance there, but they where really un organized and just feeding the horde kills..

I can give a comparison to the 2 games because I've never played EQ2, but all I Can say is I havnt played a MMORPG that had me in Aw like WoW, I for one prefer the Cartoonish graphics, its something new, and its working.. Also I dont have the most high tech computer, I couldnt even run ShadowBane without lagging like mad in PvP, I've ran into 50 man battles, and not experienced the first freeze up...

EQ2 sounds like a great game, I've heard good and bad, same with WoW it has its ups and its downs, I guess your just gonna have to play both the games to get a good view, cuz everyone likes different stuff..

-Iq

Zro - 32 Druid <Vortex>
Sargera PvP Central

Lunarstorm · Post by **Lunarstorm** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:01 pm

Gamespy posted a WoW vs. EQII comparison.

Click here to read it.

And the Winner Is: World of Warcraft!

Wow (no pun intended)!. There were a couple of real surprises in that fight. While World of Warcraft won with a respectable 6 points to EverQuest II's 5, there's more there than just a score. There were three points where both games were equal (Character customization, ease of travel, and combat), and more than a few where EQII clearly outmatched it's rival, most notably in the area of avatar's physical customization, role playing, and crafting. This is, perhaps, by design, as World of Warcraft was created to be a friendly, no hassle experience designed to appeal to everyone while those with a bit more experience with MMOs who want to try role playing or get into a deeper crafting system might want to dive into EverQuest 2.

It's a matter of personal preference, but Gamespy usually does a good job of being neutral. In this case, they did a point-by-point comparison and of the 11 points compared, WoW only won 6.

Though I *love* World of Warcraft, I fully expect EQ2 to be a good, if not great, game. We'll see how both products evolve with time.

Loon

Post by **Ddrak** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:42 pm

That's a pretty good review, Loon.

Note that 2 points are effectively related to PvP (EQ's specifically designed to be PvE with the "lawful good" and "lawful evil" cities banding against the "chaotic evil" zek hoards) and the graphics points is largely subjecting with WoW probably doing more artistic stuff with lower polygons.

Overall, I find it difficult to agree with any points made and the author specifically notes where he's being subjective rather than objective.

Dd

Riggen · Post by **Riggen** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:09 pm

I can't decide whether I love EQ2's crafting system or despise it to the bottom of my soul. Either way it's definitely very inventive, but I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the idea of death by smithing combine.

Lunarstorm · Post by **Lunarstorm** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:29 pm

Overall, I find it difficult to agree with any points made

Difficult to agree? Did you mean to type "difficult to argue with...?"

Loon

Post by **Ddrak** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:55 am

Oops - yep Loon. I actually ment "difficult not to agee" cause double negatives own.

Death by forge is comedy Riggen. Pure and simple comedy! As is the following death when they take the "shortcut" down to fetch their shard...

Dd

Zestrenocya · Post by **Zestrenocya** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:15 am

Qhorinn wrote:im looking for a game that will let me feel like ive accomplished something without griding for 4 hours or tracking a rare mob on a 19 hour random spawn timer. I got driven away from EQ1 by the need to spend countless hours in the high end game to succeed. From what i can gather from everyones opinion, WoW is might me better suited for what im looking for.
thanks for your opinions. any more comments would also be appreciated.

Flat out...you want to play WoW.

Crelone · Post by **Crelone** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:34 am

Completely agree with Zesty. Wow is 100% the game you are looking for you'll feel like you accomplished something everytime you log in no matter for how much time you spend.

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:37 am

Not to say the reward may be greater in WoW, but i have never logged on to EQ2 for a short time and felt i didn't accomplish anything.. Well except for that time when the server came down as soon as i started, but that would apply in WoW as well.

Thoric the Mad · Post by **Thoric the Mad** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:52 pm

Actually considering who is telling me I'm full of shit, I'd say my opinion does in fact matter more than yours.

I'd make a wager i'm right more often than all of you combined.

By the way, although Sony doesn't publish numbers, distributors and retailers DO publish sell through numbers. Those are easily obtainable, and are the source of my comment. For EQ2 they are poor. Very poor. By the way, any time someone refuses to publish official numbers on sales, it isn't because they are good. If you look back, when EQ was king of the road, Sony regularly published numbers about account generation and simultaneous players.... wonder where those have gone?

WoW on the other hand has set records for sellthrough.

If you don't believe me, here's anecdotal evidence. Walk through a game store and tell me how many copies of EQ2 are collecting dust in the store. Then check the WoW shelf. Here in LA, they are empty. There are numerous stores with backorders, and people are selling WoW at inflated prices on Ebay. I sold one of my two extra collector's editions for over $300.

This has nothing to do with my choice. To be honest, I'd as soon you didn't play WoW because that's one less moron causing ping lag on my server. I'm just telling you EQ2 is a complete piece of crap.

Oh, and successfully trolling you. I haven't had this much fun making someone foam at the mouth in a while, It makes me remember why I loved rants.

Post by **Ddrak** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:11 am

It's a worthless wager and you know it, Thoric. Fact is you couldn't hope to win that wager the way you worded it - but that's a purely mathematical argument.

I'm curious to know how you figure EQ2 being the top in retail sales (exactly the same WoW was) and falling off the next week (just like WoW did) to be "very poor". Well, not that curious because you're basically making shit up to throw mud, in defense of your poor opening statement which you've now completely backtracked with the good old "I was only trolling" excuse. /yawn. Not only a fanboy but a bad backtracker too.

/shrug. WoW definitely sold more copies than EQ2. I don't think there's much debate about that. It's nowhere near the difference you're pretending it to be though, although I'm sure in your own mind that'll never be the case. Dig out the numbers then fan boy - let's see you put up some real facts. :)

So face it fan boy. Not only does your wild fantasy have zero support on the board, it isn't based in reality and is trivially proven incorrect. The lame "I was just trolling" backtrack just shows your pompous arrogance and frankly I don't really give a shit. Frothing? Nah. Enjoy smacking a dumbass fanboy around who can't get shit right if he paid someone - hell yeah.

Keep trying Thoric. One day you're opinion on WoW or EQ2 will matter. Nah - kidding.

Dd

Barrin · Post by **Barrin** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:58 am

so thoric are you furiously masterbating to your puppeting skills? nillon giving you a reach around or what, the masses demand answers

Riggen · Post by **Riggen** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:04 am

Holy shades of Fenye versus Saphdia Batman!

Qhorinn · Post by **Qhorinn** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:52 pm

Around where i live, the pattern is the same.
shelves full of eq limited edition and normal edition.
shelves empty of WoW.
I hope santa can scrounge a copy somewhere for me...

MadrixDoT · Post by **MadrixDoT** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:05 am

Around here. Oh wait... I dont hang out in software sections of stores

Brell Rants

WoW or EQ2

Talan!

Actually