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Whom do you support in the upcoming Presidential election?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:27 pm

George W. Bush
37
40%
John Kerry
39
42%
Ralph Nader
3
3%
Other
2
2%
Undecided
4
4%
Non-Citizen/Ineligible -- Support Bush
0
No votes
Non-Citizen/Ineligible -- Support Kerry
2
2%
Non-Citizen/Ineligible -- Support Nader/Other
0
No votes
Non-Citizen/Ineligible -- Undecided/Don't Care
3
3%
Will Not Be Voting
2
2%
 
Total votes: 92

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Post by Lurker »

You could read a newspaper instead of relying on gop.com for information.
Washington Post - March 12, 2004

Bush is correct that Kerry on Sept. 29, 1995, proposed a five-year, $1.5 billion cut to the intelligence budget. But Bush appears to be wrong when he said the proposed Kerry cut -- about 1 percent of the overall intelligence budget for those years -- would have "gutted" intelligence. In fact, the Republican-led Congress that year approved legislation that resulted in $3.8 billion being cut over five years from the budget of the National Reconnaissance Office -- the same program Kerry said he was targeting.

The $1.5 billion cut Kerry proposed represented about the same amount Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), then chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told the Senate that same day he wanted cut from the intelligence spending bill based on unspent, secret funds that had been accumulated by one intelligence agency "without informing the Pentagon, CIA or Congress." The NRO, which designs, builds and operates spy satellites, had accumulated that amount of excess funds.

Bush's charge that Kerry's broader defense spending reduction bill had no co-sponsors is true, but not because it was seen as irresponsible, as the president suggested. Although Kerry's measure was never taken up, Specter's plan to reduce the NRO's funds, which Kerry co-sponsored with Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), did become law as part of a House-Senate package endorsed by the GOP leadership.

In his campaign speech Monday, Bush said that in 1995, "two years after the [first] attack on the World Trade Center, my opponent introduced a bill to cut the overall intelligence budget by one-and-a-half billion dollars. His bill was so deeply irresponsible that he didn't have a single co-sponsor in the United States Senate. Once again, Senator Kerry is trying to have it both ways. He's for good intelligence, yet he was willing to gut the intelligence services. And that is no way to lead a nation in a time of war."
The question is, does Bush know he's lying to his supporters? I think he does.

I've already explained how a vote against an appropriations bill is not a vote against each item. Of the three bills listed on gop.com (S. 3189, H. R. 5803, H.R. 2126), all three are appropriations bills. Two of them are different versions of the same funding bill for fiscal year 1991 and one of them is for fiscal year 1996.

Bush pulled the same bullshit against McCain during the primaries in 2000, claiming he voted against breast cancer funding because he voted against an appropriations bill. A completely misleading, dishonest and dishonarable attack - par for the course for the Bush administration - and something I hope McCain gives some thought to as he supports Bush in 2004.
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Post by Aabe »

I'm not too up on the Kerry cut the intellegence budget thing. I just seem to remember that Ted Kennedy wouldnt vote for Kerrys bill. I always pay attention to what Ted votes or doesnt vote for. Given Ted is a big Kerry supporter, it just seemed kinda odd.
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Oh, I dont have a lot of respect for Ted as a person, but he seems to be in the middle of lots of the bigger issues and carries a fair amount of influence.
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Kerry didn't vote for Kerry's bill either. Kinda odd.

Oh. . .it never came up for a vote because Specter's bill, with larger cuts than Kerry proposed, made it through the Republican controlled Senate instead. Guess that isn't very odd after all.
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It's pretty hard to link Kerry to moveon.org when Kerry specifically denounced moveon's ad attacking Bush over his service record. Unfortunately, the Bush campaign has declined to denounce the SBV ad. To me, that says a lot about the moral standards of each campaign.

I just hope the RNC comes to its senses and nominates McCain for President next week.

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Please bring out the McCain for President Boat please!
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I dunno, I seen McCain on a rant on tv once. Was a bit unnerving. I dont mind him as a Senator, I just get edgy putting someone that can be volitile into that much power.
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Relbeek Einre wrote: If some Democrat attaches a $300 billion pork barrel project to a $10 billion for B2 Bombers project, and Kerry says "It's not worth the B2" and votes against it, the American Public will say "KERRY VOTED AGAINST THE B2 BOMBER".
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Lurker wrote:When your opinion is based on ignorance I feel impelled to call you a moron.
Bachster, welcome to Liberal Intelligentsia. They resort to name calling rather quickly. That happens when you are morally bankrupt and out of step with the rest of the country.

Oh, next they will say you are using a "strawman" . Be prepared!
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Post by Relbeek Einre »

Better to be a namecaller than a liar, Madrix. Which makes liberals > neocons.

Example of lies from the right - trying to foist the laughable notion that Democrats are solely responsible for pork - or even largely responsible. Who's been in charge of Congress the last nine and a half years? Oh yeah. What party's President? Oh yeah. What's the deficit looking like? Oh yeah.

Neocons are the Slytherins of American politics. (Liberals would be the Ravenclaws. :) )

Oh, and lest we forget... that guy on the radio with the oxycontin habit who likes to use namecalling terms like feminazi and eco-nazi and who called fourteen-year-old Chelsea Clinton the White House Dog? Not a liberal.
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Pork

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BAH!! Pork has been the matter government for as along as I can remember. I am convinced pork like the "wasnt my fault" dance will be with us for our life times. So I just pull out the applesauce (I like applesauce with my pork) and make the best of it. They will scream and yell about pork, but its always there. No one seems too serious about stopping it. Kinda like how the government is stopping smoking. They will put lawsuits against it, tax it, but dont seem to want to go that final step that eliminates it. Like a weeds you may kill em from time to time, but they always come back.

We had republicans in power of Washington State for a while there was pork, the Dems took over we still had pork. The names change the pork always remains.
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I'll be interested to see how this turns out. In the meantime, while I respect the guy out of a civic sense, I'm not sure why he's ever on television.

At least Clinton could talk, oval office blowjob notwithstanding.
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Post by Cartumandua »

The question is, does Bush know he's lying to his supporters? I think he does.
I don't. I think he reads the little cue cards that his puppeters hand him and tries hard to not look too much like a monkey.
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Post by ZanypherCocoapuffs »

Relbeek Einre wrote:Better to be a namecaller than a liar, Madrix. Which makes liberals > neocons.
Speaking of liars... I noticed that all of a sudden the gap between Bush and Kerry closed faster then I could fart.

Look, while I support Bush in this election too, I have a hard time believing Bush just got a 5 - 0 upswing alla sudden. Is someone making new names to fuck with it or is it IP checked?

I mean, if it's legit, then cool, but somehow I think something went boogity.
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Post by clubbin »

Excuse me if this has already been posted:

http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvo ... nyway.com/

I haven't had time to read through all the author's rants, but the title definitely sums it up for myself and a lot of other people I've talked to.
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Post by Fobbon Lazyfoot »

Neocons are the Slytherins of American politics. (Liberals would be the Ravenclaws. )
You're explaining politics using Harry Potter analogies...
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Post by Relbeek Einre »

Yep. Yet it's apt, don't you think?

(Naderites are Hufflepuffs. *grin*)
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That would make traditional conservatives Gryffindors?
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Post by Relbeek Einre »

There are no Gryffindors in American politics. :)


I think Gryffindors span the breadth of American politics, really.

John McCain is a Gryffindor, so was Barry Goldwater.

On the other hand, so were Dr. Martin Luther King and Paul Wellstone.

Abe Lincoln an FDR, both Gryffindors.

They're the rare bird (no pun intended) who stands on principle when politics would dictate doing otherwise.
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For those who don't care

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If you live in this county and give a damn about your future or the future of anyone around you, you should care! I'm sorry but that is how I feel. It's people who do not take the time to examine the world around them, and who do not think criticially, who do not support any course of action, who hurt us as a country the most. I would rather see someone with an opionion completely the opposite of mine who is willing to argue than someone who just simply doesn't care. If you just don't care do us all a favor and stop wasting space, otherwise please have a damn opinion and if you don't have one find one!
Wow! Fact 30% of the US population doesn't know what 70% is! Scary! (think of all the stupid people) Fact most people think they are more intelligent than they actually are, this is good news at least they have a healthy self esteem but what does that say about their decision making abilites? Hmmmmmmmm Reseach Study ANYONE?

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