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Post by Emetibu »

Drama queens and loot whores - welcome to EQ!
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Post by -=Xilanthanax=- »

Danforth_Brell wrote:Hey ass face. That's my wife whom you are slandering. Seph still works 3 jobs (one of which is at the hospital she you said she got fired from.) AND goes to school full time AND is a mother.
Working 3 jobs + school + kids = no eq time.. and especially no guild recruiting time.

Either you're lying, or someone other than the real Seph is playing that bard.

P.S. I do remember grouping with her twice, she sucked ass in ldon, but was fairly decent in sol ro.. also she had a much better attitude that day as well. Maybe she was raggin or something, or maybe she was so different because it was a different person.

Hmm...
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Post by Danforth_Brell »

Working 3 jobs + school + kids = no eq time.. and especially no guild recruiting time
Not that it's any of your business, but the 3 jobs are part time and she shares physical custody with her ex so they are only here 1/2 week.

If you are implying that I am playing the bard. Nopers. I wouldn't know the first thing about it.
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Post by Rykilth »

Just to point out, the 40 point cap was just that...a bid cap. The recruits still aquired points past the 40 mark. We've had recruits save 80+ points. When they won an item for 40 or so, they'd still have 40 points left.

Upon recruitment, the bid cap would be removed, and they would have their current point value.

Example: Recruit earns 100dkp during recruitment, and doesn't spend anything that recruit would show only 40 points.

Upon being guilded, that recruit would then show 100 available points (excluding decay).

The system was recently changed due to issues I don't need to go into here on this board. Just pointing out that your view of our DKP system was incorrect.
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Post by Harlowe »

Hot damn there are a lot of Springer families that play EQ.
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Post by Atien »

Danforth,
I am sorry you think I am an asshole. For the life of me, I can't think of anything I could have done to upset someone in my almost 5 years of EQ playtime. I won't comment on Seph because I think this isn't the place. I thought I had a good working relationship with Seph. I didn't realize you and her felt this way about me. I won't change the way I am (Because I don't think I am an asshole). So I guess I will just continue to be an asshole.
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Post by Cannibia »

/bump STAY ON TOPIC
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Post by Gutofsouls »

Watchers are not all that bad sure u got a few fucks who think they are the shit in the guild like forsay most of the officer's but just the reg members are mostly not full of themselfs unlike the officers.
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Post by Relbeek Einre »

So I was curious who in Watchers stepped on Falundir's nuts and ordered him to apologize.
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Post by Ddrak »

Dan,

Seeing you are addressing and even singling me out (being an officer in Watchers and one who had a significant input to the point system) I feel I should correct your gross misconceptions:

SR's point system is not based on bidding but on fixed value items which makes raw point comparisons completely worthless. Furthermore, on guilding you effectively double your existing dkp - not earn what you missed.

Ensh's point system doesn't have the decay ours does so comparisons of point values are again worthless or at best skewed. The fact there is a minimum bid in Ensh also changes things a bit.

You also missed in your analysis that our point system at the time returned you 15% of the points you earned during recruiting (not just those you had left) on guilding. Now we return 35, which is still under review seeing we only retuned the system last weekend.

Recruits help in a minor way in getting the guild where it's going. More often than not though, recruits are assisted far more by the guild than the recruits themselves assist the guild. The guild flags them, gears them up and assists them fit into the raiding crew the best they can. Measuring the value a recruit gains by the loot they win is a very loot whorish way of looking at things and frankly we really don't want those sorts of recruits.

Your suggestion that the "older members" wanted the loot first is just unrealistic and frankly stupid when you look at the decay in place. It's impossible to bank large numbers of points without having decay ream you so people spend often. That means that the premium items are actually distributed quite evenly throughout the guild and not monopolized by any group of people at all.

Answering your question on how many post-phase 1 loots go for under 40 points, the answer is "most of them". I just looked it up in the database and 52/90 of the phase 2 and above loots have gone for less than 40. So much for your grandiose theories on what points are worth.

Currently we're not looking for recruits. Our dkp system reflects that. The only people we are interested are those that want to be with us for who and what we are and not those joining recruitment for the loots they can scam whether they attain membership or not. The aim isn't to win loot for "older members" - the decay effectively distributes loot to all members fairly evenly. The aim is to prevent people whose primary interest is loot from even thinking about joining.

Lastly, we did not use Seph at all. For us to have done that we would have had to not keep her informed on the slim chance her recruitment had. I recall staying up damn late one night after she failed her first vote telling her exactly how slim her chances were and advising her to move on. She chose to persist in her recruitment (for which I do give her credit in trying to get where she wanted to be) and eventually even earned my vote after I'd set a list of things I wanted to see that she achieved. Seph was flagged by Watchers even *after* she left the guild so she could raid with Ensh in Time. As officers we did try to give her every chance and to make the process as open as possible - your accusations of us "using" her are both ill informed and insulting.

What would you have had us do with a recruit that wanted to join as much as Seph did, but consistently lacked the support to attain membership?

As a final word, Seph still has a lot of friends in the guild among both members and officers. Your coming here and posting ill informed and inaccurate information puts significant strain on those friendships and will do more to hurt her in the long run

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Post by Falundir X`Viento »

Belive it or not, I posted that by my own choice. I can admit when I have gone too far.
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Post by Relbeek Einre »

As a final word, Seph still has a lot of friends in the guild among both members and officers. Your coming here and posting ill informed and inaccurate information puts significant strain on those friendships and will do more to hurt her in the long run
Dirty pool, Ddrak.
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Post by Sepherenia »

Okies, no more.

Falundir? I see no apology. You are a liar, as I said you were. You told half truths, partial truths, and outright lies. You chose to try to make this RL, so now you can listen to me. I have been at the nursing home where I have worked for the past 12 years, thank you very much. I was a caregiver there for 8 years, and now a housekeeper for the past 4. Between the 8 yrs at my current job as a nurse's aide, and the other 7 I spent at my other job at a nursing home, I was a caregiver for FIFTEEN years.

You do have one thing right. When I chose to go back to college, I DID shock everyone by not becoming a nurse, like everyone expected... I am a natural born caregiver, a natural born NURSE. I chose to NOT go into nursing because my heart gets attached too easily. I shed so many tears over the years while holding some elderly, dieing person's hand so many times, that I could NOT bear to carry that pain in my heart anymore. FIRED indeedy! My patient families were angry with me for leaving the nursing dept. to go into housekeeping, and as Mrs. Winter told me, "It's just such a waste, you are not a housekeeper, you are supposed to be a nurse."

How did I get my other jobs that supported me when I was completely single? Because resident families saw me working my arse off and asked me to come to their homes and clean their houses. I have house keys to those ppl's houses. Those odd jobs I got because of my WORK ethic, and it supported me and my kids when I needed grocery money, or have a few dollars to do something with my kids.

As far as time goes? Well, let me explain something about mothers to those of you that are so clueless. My days are frequently long, start early and linger late. I was working 5 part time jobs, so I am pretty happy with 3 atm. I go to college 16 credits right now. How do I manage EQ? I stay up long after raids are over with doing homework. I get up with my teen at 6 am, when he's here, and do homework for 2 hours before I have to get his sister up and ready for school. I do what I have to do to support myself and my kids.

Since many people obviously did not see the postings. Danforth and I just got married 6 damned days ago. I can hardly fault him for trying to protect his new bride of less than a WEEK.

Canni? Your words you posted to Agony, were in MY view, harsh and uncaring. My opinion that's all. No more, no less.

Denadra? Go to hell jackass. I refuse to deal with you even a second more. You aren't worth it.

As for the officers of Watchers. I am angry at none. All but one have my deepest friendship and affection. I spoke to 2 of them tonight, and I made it clear, I am not angry or anything else but tired at this point. I have MANY long standing friendships to a great many in Watchers, and I would not willingly hurt those people, even for a moment.

Chants? Thank you for making your points. You are right. I was playing Sepher when the exp. penalties were out there. I was playing when hell levels were so miserable it was enough to make me wanna delete. I have always played on an outdated computer, and twisting about any song at times was miserable. Until I got a new video card, I never made it through a single Maestro fight in Hate. I had never even seen him until 2 years ago. I always went ld. Until this past Christmas I was playing EQ on a 14" peephole monitor. I have 7 alts, and I will clearly state now, none of them are as hard as being a bard is. All of my alt's were made no later than May 2000, so I DID play them also with the penalties, and none other than the troll shaman I made and deleted, took the exp. penalty that Sepher did.

Sepherenia (too tired to care anymore) Strangelove

P.S. Fal? Just stay the hell away from me, don't try to talk to me ever again, and all will be fine.
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Post by Romfonik »

I don't see why Sepherenia should have to defend her bard skills. She was a mentor during the years I played, when finding good bards to ask for help was highly difficult.

Her advice was based on the realities of the game, and I found it very useful. She passed on gear my way, helped me out of diffcult situations, and was generally there for me.

This abuse being thrown at her is depressing, I fail to see what it's really founded on.
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Post by Barrin »

bards are the best class in EQ right now, this is not an untrue statement

if anything that is the biggest change I have noticed in my return to EQ land.

bards have gone from mana and resist bitches to the kings of eq? THE SKY IS FALLING
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bard, huh?

Post by Arithonn »

sorry i fell asleep during that Doomshade raid for Alvintine. ...someone say something bout a bard?
Xilanthanax didnt i let you leech experience once? OMG how the fuck long have i been afk!!!!!
Isra i just had a dream about you! Saryn had me hypnotized

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Post by jookkor »

So you app'd to a guild whose lewt rules are clearly defined, and then bitch about it after and call them assholes for something they've had in place long before you showed up? Did your application say "Hi I would like to join your guild btw I think your lewt rules suck ass and your a buncha wads for enforcing them" No You didnt. You thought they sucked but you stfu about it in hopes of getting to the point where the rules benefited you, you were fully ready to become an "asshole" yourself. But for whatever reason (I cant imagine why) you didnt make the cut and now you bitch about it because your firing with an empty chamber.
Raiding guilds get alot of apps and dont want to be Used as a twinking machine to people who might not invest as much into the guild as the guild invests into them during the process. Its perfectly reasonable. Many guilds on other servers, and even on this server dont let apps roll on lewts at all for just this purpose. I think watchers system is more then fair, afterall your there to get to know people and be evaluated, NOT to get loot, But whoever made the lewt rules most likely did so knowing that letting apps upgrade their character helps to make them more of an asset then a liability for the time in which they are part of the raidforce.
I think the system your all of a sudden against is balanced and fair.
And flagging an ex app who is known to be going to competition is classy I think you owe watchers an appology for your stupid and hypocritical post.

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Post by ZanypherCocoapuffs »

This thread is amazing! Its like, two threads for the price of one!

Much bard love. /agree Barrin.
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Post by Bolvi »

Jook she was a App for Watchers long before the new loot/dkp rules went into effect. Back when she first started raiding with them they had Counciled loot system. So most of what you just stated is completely incorrect.

I personally could give a shit how ANY other guild does dkp, I don't belive its my place to judge another guilds loot or attendance policies. They put there policies into effect for a reason I am sure, Just as Enshadowed did theres *Which I love*.

On the topic of bards, I can honestly say that I have grouped with some of the best this server has to offer. Jaos, Saevrok, Llarka, Meiyu, Kulanae, Sepherenia... Just to name a few. Seph has been a very good friend for quite awhile and IMO does her job very well. She is too good a person for people who most likely have not even grouped with her to be giving her shit.
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Post by Saevrok »

Its true, bards rule the land with an tyranical iron grip.
Energy is neither created or destroyed, so it is fairly safe to assume the particles that make up your body will exist forever. We are all eternal.
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