SoH

[Nazku]

Hey Leland.....

Hey Bags....

I have a new game for you 2 to go play , perhaps you have heard of it before?
Its called Hide-And-Go-Fuck-Yourself.

You two whiny fucking crybabies. Boo frickety hoo

Get over it.

Many times on raids or in groups i have disagreed with Saph, Subtle, and the other raid leaders. right Motius ? I have been vocal and outspoken at times. Publicly.

So why am I still guilded if speaking out gets you booted ? Why am i still guilded for disagreeing?

simple...I am not an asshole.

I didnt take a 6 month hiatus, make a new character, play with a different guild ( and yes plenty of people have alts your enchanters level and they play them frequently) and then want SoH to help outfit the new character and another guilds member. I dont give a fuck if it was fine silk sleeves or Earring of the Solstice parts. thats disrespectful to your guild brothers and sisters.

Leland... you blew it bro im sorry. You knew the rules regarding skill mods. I have a 168 skill atm , I want those gloves so bad i can hardly stand it. I have Dark Hand Wraps tho a pretty equal hand item. So why would i roll on those if others have need of a hand upgrade and have the required BS skill? I wont . The only way I will roll for those is if they start going to alts. why ? because i care about seeing everyone in my guild getting geared up. A BS mod is not going to make me a better SK nor will it make you a better Shaman. Yes I know this is not the sole reason you were booted.

Guilds are made up of many members. In great guilds those members add up to more than the sum of what they should. There are many reasons to be de-guilded . Sometimes those small little reasons add up to more than their sum too. Such is the case here.

Sorry if you think all of Brell should know why you were booted but they don't. It is not any of their fucking business. If any of you feel you really need to know more about it then visit our guild board and apply. otherwise you can join these two in a nice game of Hide-And-Go-Fuck-Yourselves.

There is no fear of being booted from SoH for disagreeing. There is no retribution for speaking your mind. There is no getting booted for doing nothing. You are both very mistaken. The key is to remain respectful to your guild leaders and brothers and sisters.

btw Leland it was Saph who wanted to give you the chance in SoH, some long standing members were opposed to you joining but she gave you the chance.

Something you both need to realize is that SoH has done more for you than you have ever done for them. You are not the reason this guild exists. then again you arent in SoH anymore are you?

[Lelandpain]

I didn't quote your post for any other reason that to point out that its guild rules not to attack guild members. Thats on the boards, in guild chat or in tells. Did I say on the guild board? Nope. I said she attacked me. I told Subtle about it and I was told to STFU for the most part. The Belwair portion of like 3 pages ago proved I did let Subtle know when I was attacked. I have been attacked my Saph many of times and told Subtle about it. He either didn't respond to me or gave me some line of bullshit saying she didn't.

[Flaten]

They need a code here so that if your name is mentioned it's highlighted or flashes or something. Just scrolling down certain people's posts takes long enough.

Hey since we started using dkp about a year ago we've had zero people leave because of loot distribuion problem. You've had one. I believe one divided by zero is quite a large a number. That would be the percentage of more people that have left your guild than ours Anywho we only keep track of people who attend raids. They earn points and can spend them however they want to. We don't assign points to items so there's never any updating with prices. Join the channel and bid auction style till the highest bid wins. Rinse and repeat.

[Araden]

Dammit Flaten, I'm tellin ya. award-aradentheloot system works the best. Trust me on this!

[Araden]

BTW Flaten, I didnt' know that was how enshadowed dkp worked. I know there are many varients of the dkp system heh, yers seems like a pretty good one to cut out a ton of maintenance hassle. Glad yer system is working well for you guys =)

[Baginns Hobbiton]

Hey there,

Just to clear some things up.

Araden

Yer story there was a bit shaded bud, sorry but it wasn't quite fair to not mention that you multilple times attacked saph on our boards.

Saph will say that I ranted guildmates, but thats her version of me disagreeing with her.

I hide nothing. Saph will say that I did a personal attack on her. I say that I only defended myself and others that she attacked. Its all a matter of opinion. After that incident, it never happened again either. Subtle told me to watch it, and I did. I may disagree with him, and you, but he is the guild leader. He told me to fix my behaviour, and I did. I never attacked her again on the board, and she really said some things that baited me. She would attack others, and nothing would be done. Why the double standard? Remember now, a personal attack is a matter of opinion. I didnt think I was attacking her, as I'm sure she doesnt think she attacked others. Regardless, I fixed my behaviour and it never happened again.

Dost

I wasnt really paying attention to what was going on with Baggins, as I never really got to know him, but basically, from I have inferred from conversation with fellow guildmates, is that he left the game, came back with an enchanter alt so he could play with his girlfriend, and then asked the guild on numerous occasions to help out his ALT (regardless of whether the enchanter was in fact his main, in the eyes of a guild who outfitted his druid, the enchanter was an alt) and his RL girlfriend on various occasions. Baggins has failed to mention that his post requesting help in fear was right above a post that had been up for a day or two announcing a guild raid on that same day, during the same time.

I asked for help on two occasions. One was the Solstice earring, and one was the Fear post. I put them both here, and I dont think I did anything wrong. Yes, there was a raid on the same day. It was a VT raid if I remember correclty, and they never knew if they were going untill very close to the date. I think it was origionally going to be a free day, so I put up my fear post. Something happened (Server down, or maby Sojo decided not to do VT, I honestly dont remember) and they decided to raid there, so to anyone who looked, my post was up for the same time and date. I left it up in case a Chanter could help that was not going to the VT raid. At that time, not everyone was VT keyed. I figured it didnt hurt to ask, I have never given people reason to be afraid to tell me no. This was a long time ago, so I may be mistaken.

Ohhh, and one more thing

Nazku

Something you both need to realize is that SoH has done more for you than you have ever done for them. You are not the reason this guild exists. then again you arent in SoH anymore are you?

How do you know this? I was a member of Sphere way before you were. How can you possibly know what I did, or did not do for the Guild. I was there when we were first venturing into Unrest. I was there when we were doing Plane of Fear and Plane of Hate I was there when we were farming Kael. I was there when we were doing ToV to gear up. I was there when we went to sleepers tomb to get the Melee's Primal. I was in North ToV, even though I had to save faction, I sat through the raid, and just helped on Named, and then Egressed to zone and got CoHed back. That was boring as shit, but I did it to help out. I only rolled on one or two items there, and never won. Anyone who knows me, knows I'm not about loot. I was in the first part of Ssra. Then I took a break. While on my break, the guild hit VT, and started getting the really nice loot there, that I missed out on by choice, to be with my GF. I put in all the work up to VT, and the guild is reaping the rewards. I'm glad they are, and I dont think Sphere owed, or owes me anything. But I'm not about to let someone tell me that I didnt do anything for the guild. Cause its flat out bull shit.

[Flaten]

We're almost ready to switch over the award-tukodo dkp system. Going to be a tough transistion but we think we can handle it.

[Baginns Hobbiton]

Hey there,

I hate not having Edit. I wanted to clarify. When I said "I put in all the work up to VT", I dont mean that I alone did all the work. Most of it was the raid leaders, though I would help with everything I could. But I was there along with my guildmates up to VT, and I worked my ass off. Everyone did.

[Araden]

Like I said Bags I dont think yer a bad person and still don't. But I can recall 3 seperate times on the guild boards in the positive discussion area you attacking saphdia in a thread. Since you didn't mention that and brought yer issues public I felt that it wasn't fair to not mention that you had in no small measure done a fair share of yer own contribution there no matter what yer opinion of the right or wrongness. I haven't slammed ya or put down your valid contributions to the guild, I just felt that needed pointing out because wasn't right to paint only part of the picture.

[Baginns Hobbiton]

Hey there,

No problem Araden. I have no qualms with you either, and I think you are an awsome guy. Yes, there were issues with Saph and I in the past. We dont agree on much of anything. You're right, I didnt explain that fully in my post, and only made Vague mention, and I probably should have. I wrote a book, and its easy to miss things. I'll admit I'm wrong there though.

Any time Subtle told me to do something, I did my best to do it. Sure, I slipped up every once in a while, but nobody is perfect, and I dont pretend to be. After I was told to watch myself on the boards, I didnt attack her again.

[Partha]

This is a lie. You told the loot roller that you did not use the hammer as your main gear that you used your epic.

[Sun Oct 12 21:57:23 2003] Myrlena tells sohssra:1, 'JOIN sohmace (clr dru shaman) does NOT count against emp loot , stats are :: 21/23 str25 wis25 100hp 100mana effect despiration (100 hate reducer)'
[Sun Oct 12 21:58:28 2003] Channel sohmace(3) members:
[Sun Oct 12 21:58:28 2003] *Myrlena, Dostoevsy, Lelandpain
[Sun Oct 12 21:59:17 2003] Lelandpain tells sohmace:4, '/em boots Dost'
[Sun Oct 12 22:20:45 2003] Myrlena tells sohmace:4, 'link yer weapons please'
[Sun Oct 12 22:21:18 2003] Myrlena tells sohmace:4, 'dost.. what do you use as yer weapon atm'
[Sun Oct 12 22:21:24 2003] You tell sohmace:4, 'Prelate's Lantern'
[Sun Oct 12 22:22:13 2003] Lelandpain tells sohmace:4, 'sorry, missed it hehe using smithing hammer'
[Sun Oct 12 22:22:44 2003] You tell your party, 'isnt smithing hammer 100/100?'

It's getting pathetic out.

[Araden]

What part of two different mace incidences mentioned did you miss partha. that one you just quoted from was the first time. The second time he claimed to not use the hammer... because he wanted the mace.

[Lelandpain]

I have a 168 skill atm , I want those gloves so bad i can hardly stand it. I have Dark Hand Wraps tho a pretty equal hand item. So why would i roll on those if others have need of a hand upgrade and have the required BS skill? I wont . The only way I will roll for those is if they start going to alts. why ? because i care about seeing everyone in my guild getting geared up. A BS mod is not going to make me a better SK nor will it make you a better Shaman.

Duh, I put myself in on them becouse they were a major upgrade.

btw Leland it was Saph who wanted to give you the chance in SoH, some long standing members were opposed to you joining but she gave you the chance. .

Sorry bro, this statement is full of shit. Subtle was talking to me about joining SoH for about 6 months before I joined. The only issue that was expressed to me when I joined was the fact that I was in Storm Alliance. Learn what your talking about before speaking. It helps alot.

Something you both need to realize is that SoH has done more for you than you have ever done for them. You are not the reason this guild exists. then again you arent in SoH anymore are you?[

I have done more for the people in SoH than I can possibly list. I have been there for a year. Farming ST so you and the other melee can get primal and the clerics and druids can get the FT1 shield. I helped who knows how many people get there Emp and VT keys. Those hours I spent doing shards and emp key pieces for others didn't help me any. I sat by when all flowing thought items below the emp were for Clerics and druids only. I watched as restrictions were put on everything. Shit happens. You have been my friend for a long time. I wonder how much bullshit Saph is talking about me in the guild chat and on the SoH message board. Wake the fuck up and think for youself. Don't believe everything that two faced bitch puts out to you. She is a control freak and twists thinks around to help her out as much as possible. I think that is common knowledge.

[Araden]

I should say, those logs are from the 1st time, and the top quote from the 2nd incident.

What's getting pathetic is your trying to stack different quotes to make a story.

[Kulanae Soulsease]

leland got those gloves by default because his smithing ability was 188+.

That seems like a convienent excuse to me. If Subtle were calling out the qualifications for the loot and no one was in the channel until he opened it up to everyone, then why would he then assume Leland was there for it because of smithing? Why not send a tell and ask if he wanted it as an upgrade or as a tradeskill booster?

From reading this thread it seems like Subtle might be a bit overburdened by having to not only lead the raid and do all the pulling, but also being the one in charge of loot distribution. Perhaps some other officer needs to step to the plate and handle that so he can focus on what needs to be done. Being in charge of too much is a sure way to burn out an officer.

Personally this sounds more like a mistake than anything else. Leland for perhaps not being clear on why he wanted the item, and Subtle perhaps for not having/making the time to find out why Leland wanted the item and rolling accordingly.

/shrug

[Araden]

Normally subtle doesn't roll much loot Kulanae. Times happen tho when due to things like the holidays etc etc you sometimes don't see some folks on. Normally we don't let subtle roll shit off because he does have a lot of other things to do.

[Krozzon]

A BS mod is not going to make me a better SK.

Nope nothing will do that.....you sir blow donkey balls....

[Partha]

This is a lie. You told the loot roller that you did not use the hammer as your main gear that you used your epic. You were then asked why you didnt' use the hammer and you said you just use it for bs and not raids. What a fucking liar. You didn't start using the hammer till after that on a regular basis.

So he didn't start using the hammer on a regular basis until after the second roll, but declared it as his primary on the first. Her words, Dost's logs.

[saphdia]

Baginns,

Both you and leland make this too fucking easy. You both are boring me..but I'll set you straight just this once then ppl can believe whatever the hell they want to..i don't give a shit. Ahh I knew it was just a matter of time you had to come here to aire your dirty laundry as well. I find it interesting a few quotes of yours:

I got past it, and moved on,

No, when ppl get "past it and move on" they don't run to rants when they get a chance to tell their eq life's story.

but I still believe that I was treated poorly by the leadership.

And we believe we were treated poorly by yourself on many occasions.

I was pretty pissed off when I got booted, and I was treated like shit, but I never brought it to the rants boards

I'd imagine you were pretty pissed off when you got booted, rejection is never a nice thing. You were not treated like shit though. It was explained to you why we no longer fit as you stopped doing anything with us for a good solid 8 months. All you would do is beg for help for your alts and basically you did not help us during those 8 or so months, yet you expected help from us. So you never brought it to the rants board but finally it is ok to do so? Let's atleast call it what it is and not act like you were forced or dragged to come do this all of a sudden. Since you were let go, we moved on but you still have not.

On the other hand, I know how it feels to be ripped apart by Saph in front of everyone you care about because she has an issue with you,

Now now baginns...should I go on how I felt when I found out many of times you had daggers in my back? Yes your friends told me that you confided in the stuff you'd say about myself and subtle..mainly me. Even when I was kind to you and let the shit you'd say go, you'd run off behind my back and get ppl riled up on stupid shit. It finally stopped one day when I started getting ppl in the chat channels to confront stuff that was said to get it straightened out towards the end. Then I finally put the only guildmate ever on ignore after it was obvious to me the issues you'd cause, which was you baginns. Whether you were doing it on purpose I will never know, but you did it too often for me to put up with.

I was removed from guild, with no explanation as to what justified my discharge.

This is a bald faced lie. Subtle had a series of PM's to you as well as convos in game on why you needed to leave sphere. It was well over a week of discussion with you on why you should go to your g/f's guild. It was decided due to your inactivity in doing anything with the guild is why we should part ways. You kept arguing and arguing your case and subtle was firm in letting you know it just would not work.

So please tell us baginns..from this post back to you... I believe it was firm to you on where we felt you stood with our guild. Your posts kept coming back like "i will think about it" umm..pal we made the decision there is nothing for YOU to think about lol. We tried to be polite but you just didn't want to "get it".

Techincally you havent been really around for at least 6 months, (We killed emp in july, and you were not around for a few months before that). Guilds go through alot of changes, we have advanced quite a bit since then. This is not a question of the past, it is a question of the future. Do you realize, there is quite a few ppl in the guild that have no idea who you even are?

Lets look at another example, XXXXXX wanted to come back. He had done alot for the guild before he left.. but he left on very wierd circumstances and when he came back there was no resolution and he showed rather quickly his ability to cause trouble, rather than be happy.

Anyways the point I am making is you have not been around the guild for at least 6 months. The few times you have been around, you acted like an ass to saph and then nicey nice to me. I am pretty sick of it. One of the biggest things that detract from a close guild atmosphere, are the ppl that you never see unless they are asking for something. Most people in the guild see that very thing from you. It isnt about how you were a year ago, it is about how yuo are now. I can guarantee you, if I changed how I ran the guild in any tiny way, people ignore all the good I have done and bitch at me for that one decision. It is just a fact of life. There are some things people do that are just unforgivable. I tried to give you a chance to apologize to saph, but I dont think you ever gave her a sinciere apology.. ever.

Now, there also comes a point in a guild's advancement where people come to resent people that skipped out all the work that went into it all, just to reap the benefits. Many people put in countless hours to get to VT, they will put in countless more to get to Elementals, and it sucks to see someone jump on the bandwagon and reap the benefits.

You may think I am being a hardass here, but I really think you would be better off with your girlfriend's guild atm. I just dont see the point in staying in a guild you rarely interact with. I can see the resentment growing from people from it as well. There is no point in a guild if you do not take part in it. So therefore I think it would be better for everyone if you just left SOH, and played with people you have fun playing with.

Subtle

I was ignored by Subtle

You and leland finally got ignored by subtle because how many fucking hours is he suppose to devote to you to tell you that you no longer fit the guild's view? I mean geezus. He is not paid to play eq. You both were told and both did not want to believe you were being asked to leave, so it was done for you.

I told Subtle that I would think about it and get back to him.

This was not left up to you. It was a request for you to comply. You were busy raiding with your other guild - legions of the chosen...I saw no reason for you to stay guilded in our guild as you did nothing with us for 8 or so months.

He never replied to that PM, and he would not talk to me in game.

he went back and forth with you several times. You would not accept things and kept the argument up. At some point, sorry the ties needed to be cut.

You sure skip a lot of history of what caused hard feelings between us to just what makes me look bad. I found that really interesting but it frankly didn't suprise me. Let's not discuss the fact that we caught an alt of yours guilded with an ex leader of soh that I had put in charge and you knew it was not a cool thing to go against guild policy regardless if you agreed with it or not. This ex leader was trying to decimate SOH and you were in support of him. Once I found that out, I thought you were better off gone. If you couldn't follow a simple guideline of us not wanting alts in other guilds much less one who's leader tried to kill soh...LOL then where did your loyalties lay? Not with me LOL. I wasn't stupid enough to believe that or you would not have hid it..yet been so open with other soh'ers that counseled you against it.

You also leave out the part where you come after me for no reason after asking your g/f to relinquish her officer status because she had allowed her trick scamming real life b/f that had been ranted many times to play her. He was infamous for the wurmslayer scam from ppl. He had been guilded a few times by us (before I knew of the tradescamming) and would end up training ppl and I'd get complaints. I'd try to talk to him and even approached him that I would believe him if he'd just discuss it but he'd go into a fit of rage and deguild. I finally spoke to her and asked her to please not allow him access to her account as she has officer status or I'd have to remove her officer status. She fully agreed and said np. Well he was caught playing her for weeks on end...she had been gone for months. Who knows when I'd see her next. I confronted him about it and he either deguilded her or had her come and do it. I forget which but she never even bothered trying to talk to me to resolve it. /shrug her problem not mine. But nooo..you had to come after me and would not listen to reason on what really happened and you proceeded to backstab me for over a year or so about this incident. I was beginning to get used to you acting like that towards me.

There was also the time that you kept going on and on about how you were going to retire yet you rolled on the tormax boots. Those were the only tormax boots that the guild had seen and we were I believe starting ST at that time. I think it was what, 2 days later you retired? That is when you stopped doing all sorts of stuff with the guild. Say what you want but others are the ones who remembered that one for me.

Finally I did the turn in. My Tormax boots were on my character and even on my Magelo Profile that was posted on the guild board, at least a month before I retired and left. I never planned on retiring, I left because I met my RL GF. But for some reason I'm a loot whore for winning the only Tormax boots Sphere had seen and then retiring.

wow the words I had heard from you were that you couldn't seem to get tormax faction and were going to give up cause no one would help you. You never once even bothered to let the guild know in a post that you finally completed the quest. One's natural reaction to myrlena if they heard such a thing about the boot discrepancy is that you would have either confronted her or you would have posted that you got your boots done..but nooo baginns as usual you had to let things stay in disarray and misunderstanding. That is how you liked it..then you could pull the innocent act and it'd be everyone's fault but yours. Can't the boots be turned in for something else if I'm not mistaken that the guild coudl have used? no, you would have rather retired baginns and let them rot. I could be wrong..if so, I do apologize for this but I'm thinking they can be turned in for other loot to benefit the guild which you didn't pursue after the retirement of baginns.


You were very subtle with your little digs towards ppl. I won't bother going into them here because it's one of those things that you had to be there in order to see it. Little comments that only one would know who they were directed to. I can't count how many times you did that to me...very rudely. You'd start fights with me on purpose just to get a rise out of me..then run to subtle and act all innocent...then come apologizing profusely the next day saying you had a bad day at work. I can buy that once, twice, max 3 times..when this was happening so often, I finally just stopped wanting to talk to you as your apologies never meant a thing. Others began to experience your digs and I actually started to see them towards one member in particular. I won't bother going into it, because you would just deny it but I know how you are and what you mean by things. Let's not even talk about some of your posts I have had to take down in the past. The one about how dare we as a guild do such and such on a raid, yet you had not even been on the scene for months. It was hilarious as you didn't know jack what went on but kept going off on how you were ashamed at such and such. People were like..who the fuck is this guy? There were other inappropriate posts by yourself that dug at guildmates that were taken down. More than normal I'd say...not as bad as let's say sassas' or leezh's or tail's posts but up there at times. Let's not even go into how many PM's or emails you'd send subtle trashing me for any opinion I had. Did you NOT think I'd see your convos with him or emails? All over such petty bullshit. I mean petty bullshit. You just never got out of junior high, baginns. Was sad. I don't log into the game for you to start attacking subtle just because you disagree with a post I removed or how I handled a comment in guildchat. After awhile you were like the boy who cried wolf and who wants to cater to that? We do not.

No one ever told you that real life shouldn't go over eq..however, you were online a ton of times when your g/f was not...and you never helped on hardly any of the camps or when we needed a druid. We let it go..whatever to each his own. But then came your requests for help on your alts. I started getting tells on who the fuck is this guy? He does nada with the guild Now granted these ppl had no idea that you had done stuff in previous years but you had just disassociated yourself from the guild for so many months and kept beggin for help from the guild. Lots of ppl had no clue who you even were. You had not even bothered to check our raiding schedule before you asked for ppl to support you on a fear raid. We had a raid scheduled and some ppl felt obliged to help you instead. Umm....hey, if you didn't want to partake in our activites, fine but don't drag the mainstream ppl away from the raidleaders activities to outfit your alt with some other guild you kept raiding with. So yes, we took down your post of wanting help for your alt as it did conflict with our activites that you would never help us on..so why should we return the favor? You then sent a PM and didn't even wait for subtle to respond before you then posted "what happened to my post can an admin get back to me". Now I know for a fact subtle and you had been talking back and for PM wise prior and also after, so there is no reason but to try to look innocent that your stuff was being taken down by big bad moderators when you in fact had a PM into asking subtle. Why ask on the board as well? Yes, that is strange just knowing your past behaviour, baginns.

If the pieces were just rotting in the bank, I didn't see any harm in asking for them.

Then you kept trying to get ft1 earring pieces out of the guild bank for your girlfriend. guildbank is NOT for your girlfriend. Your girlfriend chose to go with legions of the chosen which is who you raided with. Let them fund her earring. Geezus. If you were active with our guild raiding, I'd probably have let you have them but you totally disassociated yourself from the guild so I have to ask why you felt you were due them?

asked me to look for components. She never asked me to pay for anything, I would have if I was asked. A couple weeks went by and I asked her if she had done anything on them, and she told me no, and asked about components, I didn't have any.

As usual, you were asked to look for components and you expected her to work on them without any? This shit is cheap to buy. You are a fucking druid and within 2 or 3 hours could easily come up with the money to buy your own fucking parts for your own g/f. I mean do you read what you write and look at how pathetic it is on how we didn't give you your g/f an ft1 earring who was in another guild?

I had but stacks upon stacks of Velious armor Gems (and this was back when we were actively doing Velious quest armor, so they actually were very helpful) into the guild bank. I soloed in Cobalt Scar, and all my gems went straight to the guild bank. I rarely, if ever, asked for anything back.

yes you did and they got used..by yourself and alts as well as your friends. That doesn't give you the right to draw stuff out for your g/f. This was over 2 years ago. Your lack of activity I dont' think granted you much access to the guild bank anymore honestly. You basically stopped doing stuff when we did ntov due to factoin issues. So you were in fact gone from raiding with the guild a longer time that you wish to admit. When over half the guild doesn't remember ever seeing you at a raid of ours and associate you with legions of the chosen, I'd say there are issues.

That of course pissed me off, because its all wrong

yes it wasn't hard to see you were pissed off. First of all you got the information via a way that you should not have. That person's access was revoked because of what they did. Secondly, instead of talking to myrlena you made snyde comments to her and made her feel pretty uncomfortable. But I'm sure just like you did me...you will deny it all.

So when I got burnt out, I skipped out on some raids.

It never was widely understood what the hell you were doing. You win the boots and then you retire from not only baginns but the game. When oyu came back your intentions to the guild was NOT well known at all. I know usually 99.9 percent of what is going on in the guild and at no time did you ever mention jack about our plans. You skipped out on SOME raids? We are talking 8 or so MONTHS on end. There comes time when you've skipped out on too much. Things would have been ok probably if your attitude had been a bit better.

She can be so horrible with people. When someone argues with her, they are booted from guild. I've seen it countless times.

I am horrible to ppl who are horrible to me first. It is a downright lie that if someone argues with me they are booted from the guild. There is not one person I regret ever booting from the guild. I've yet to receive flack from ANYONE in the guild over someone that is booted. You claim to have argued with me for 4 years? Yet it took me that long to boot you? HHAHAHH you are pretty fucked up on your memory there chief. if what you say is true, you'd have been gone a long ass time ago. I even went out of my way to put you on ignore so I could bare you in the guild..but you finally went too far.

In fact, I fully expect to get ripped apart here.

When you come here with lies and partial truths, you bet you are going to get ripped apart here.

When it comes down to it, I was booted from sphere, with no valid reason, and then ignored.

no, when it comes down to it, you were told over the years stuff you needed to fix due to your attitude, we let it go cause we felt you were harmless, we then saw no need for you to continue being guilded when you did nothing with us for almost a year, began to beg for our help for your alts, and began to hang with another guild for raiding and fun. You were given a valid reason but you didn't feel it was valid. You were finally ignored after it was hopeless in getting through to you that it was what needed to happen. Again, quite a few pm's and emails and talks in game DID happen yet you are still suprised?

I would have started raiding again when I got up to that level, and even would have gone back to the Druid.

So which was it? We were never clear wtf you were doing. All we knew is for almost year you bailed on us and said nothing to most of us about it. This still doesn't change anything. You could have raided and helped us with your druid as we needed it many times on raids. If you would have gone back to druid, no reason to cut yourself totally off for almost a year of raids. I call bullshit on this. You made time for the other guild..never a problem there. Nor was it a problem for you to ask for help for the alt.

Saph will say that I ranted guildmates, but thats her version of me disagreeing with her.

You did rant guildmates and I had to take those posts down as you knew they were not allowed and knew you were over the line. These were just among MANY things that added up to why you were let go.

she is doing the right thing, so I find it hard to fault her. Good intentions go a long way with me.

Yes I did do the right thing. I think deep down you knew it. If good intentions go a long way with you, i'd never have known it by your treatment to me.

If you are in Saphs good graces, she can be wonderful.

You bet I can. People who show they are genuine and that they have loyalty get that in kind from me. People who do not show this stuff, I have no time for. You just happened to make that list in the past year you were in sphere. Sorry shit changes.

If you disagree with her, and find her bad side though.

You fail to mention it wasn't just disagreeing. Plenty of ppl have disagreed with me and are still guilded. If i booted everyone who disagreed all raid leaders would be gone LOL. You would go behind my back and start shit and I'd have to constantly be straightening it out. It is not fun to have to spend my time straightening out your chicken little story shit. Gets old.

Any time I had an issue with her, I went to Subtle

It was over such little shit. OMG saph made a comment about my friend..waaaa subtle tell her to not talk about so and so. OMG saph said this and it hurt my feelings even tho i know my feelings get so hurt. Good lord you are a freakin whiner. I hope your g/f doesn't mind having to become your mother. Of course subtle began to ignore it because it was such petty shit. You could absolutely not come to him with anything legit. I did jack shit to you and all you could do was attack me to him weekly. I mean get a damn life.

Leland is right when he says that there are plenty of people in Sphere who cant stand Saph, but sadly you have to put up with her, she isn't going anywhere.

This is a lie. Nice try baggins but over half the guild has no idea who you are lol. Yes, you are THAT far behind. You are so far behind that you do not even realize this transformation happened.

I feel I have more credit bringing it up first and being honest, than retorting something she says

This is where you are dreaming. Totally in dream land. You were honest? Maybe in your head you honestly think you did nothing wrong..but you are not honest in many respects.


Oh and if you helped with VT keys, you may have helped a few ppl but you did not even put in NEAR the time that you say you did. Hell you didn't even have your emp key till after everyone was pretty much already vt keyed.


Baginns, it was not smart coming here, especially telling partial story. Of course the only ppl you will attract is the pharma and saph haters which need a life anyway...you said this yourself wayy back when you used to defend soh and myself and pharma here. If that is what you need to feel vindicated, fine. But I think we are both better off that you are in the guild you were busy raiding with all the while we were doing our activities as a guild which you conveniently chose to do nothing with for months on end. I truly pity you.


Saphdia

PS. If you haven't noticed, partha can't decipher shit.

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